Prophets are hard to come by these days

You are the writer. Explain the last 2,000 years since Christ or the past 1,500 since Mohammed.

 

Al Gore hes a prophet ain't he?

 

There have been no prophets for the same reason we don't have animal sacrifice. Jesus is the fulfillment of the law and the prophets, a fact I wish would dawn on the LDS church. Prophets were a proxy in lieu of a direct relationship with God. But that veil has been torn, physically and in every other sense. Jesus has bridged the gap between man and God so that through Him, we may "boldly come to the throne of grace" (Heb 4:16).

What need is there for a prophet when we have Jesus?

 

We have saints, which are like prophets in a sense.

There was Akkbar in India, who founded his own religion to help ease the tension between the Hindus and the Muslims.

 

Which didn't work out too spectacularly.

 

Not quite. God had a relationship with his people through the prophets and that's no longer necessary. God wanted direct relationship, but the people didn't want to hear him directly and told Moses, "Let him speak to you and you speak to us." But now we can come to God directly, to the celestial throneroom through prayer.

What role do the saints play? Well, they pray for us, especially Mary, the mother of the Church. But the prayers of the saints augment our own prayers, they don't replace them.

The age of prophets is over. Permanently.

 

True, but it is still something note worthy.

 

So if I understand you, God has decided to open a direct line of communication with each and every one of us. Seems like He could have done this right off the bat rather than waiting as long as he did. Would have saved everyone a lot of trouble.

Be that as it may, now that we have a direct personal relationship with God why do we need churches? Why do we bother to pray to saints to defend us? Isn't God capable of defending us just fine on his own if we ask him? Although that kind of begs the question of why we should have to ask Him to defend us. A true loving father would just do it.

 

the words of the prophets are written on the subway walls, tenement halls...

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That would be us Christians, not you.

It's unseemly to blame God when man was the one who broke communion with God.

You mean why do WE need churches, as in us, not you.
How do churches get in the way of our relationship with God that they should be dispensed of?

Again, you're not part of "us" so you couldn't understand. Asking others to pray for us does not mean God is deaf to our personal prayers.

A true father seeks a relationship with his children. Why should children ever say, "I love you daddy." Doesn't the father know already? If it seems I'm a little short with you it's because I'm trying to explain a relationship to somebody who has shunned such a relationship and therefore cannot understand it. I think you're an atheist. As soon as I confirm it, you're on ignore as indicated here:

http://www.politicalforum.com/religion/199664-why-i-will-ignoring-all-atheists-forum.html

 

Well actually I'm an agnostic. If I'm going to be honest I have to leave open the possibility that such a being as God exists. But that's probably not good enough for you so hit the button. Although I must say I find your lack of concern for my immortal soul a bit un-Christian. May the Saints defend you anyway.

 

Not so fast! Like I said, I'm still making up my mind about you. I've reviewed your posts and you don't seem to be on the same mission as the haters in this forum. A little hostility toward faith? Maybe. But it doesn't exude from your pores like it does from others here based on the posts I've seen from you. The jury's still out.

BTW, I'm very concerned for your soul, but I've found that feeding trolls does not further the kingdom of God or work toward the conversion of souls. It's a fruitless endeavor and I won't endure the spiteful things that are said about God by some here just on the off chance that one of them might be open to the gospel. If the haters go to hell because they offended all the ambassadors of heaven that might have saved them, that's their own doggone fault!

 

certainly in recent years, prophets have been replaced by profits.

we are not influenced by prophets - but profit margins.

 

hmmm.

well I guess as a parent I think its pretty awful of this god character to condemn people for eternity on the basis that they didn't listen to a very confused message.

I also expect that an omniscient, omnipresent deity wouldn't be swayed by sycophantic individuals who constantly harp on about him.

But if that's the kind of God you accept, you are welcome to him.

oh - and I am an atheist - so you are welcome to ignore me.

I shall be just as swayed by that as your God is by the opinion of atheists.

 

Well I hope I pass muster. I learn more from talking to people I at least initially disagree with than I ever learned by debating with my own.

 

You'll be fine. Look at cassandrabandra's post as an example of the people I ignore. After the first sentence I knew what she was and expigated her without reading the rest of her brainless rant. And now I'll never see her again because she's a tool.

I just don't get that from you.

 

The reason for many 'religions' is that men try to put God in a box according to their understanding and desired intentions. I call it "men operating in the futility of their minds"---aka, good intentions in many/most cases, but biased in thought and therefore produces like doctrines of error that accompany them. Again, 'vain' as in futile and without absolute truth. Most 'religions' and subsequent denominations have 'some' truth or partial truth in their dogma, but by the vanity of their limited knowledge (pride puffs up, but 'love' edifies), they 'miss the mark,' which is the perfect will of God.

And so because of the vanity of men and their perverted doctrines, there are those who have the ammunition of disbelief to use in the verbal discussion & weak debate of throwing 'the baby out with the bath water.' They use excuses for their unbelief and continued life of rebellion against their Creator by focusing on men and ignoring the revelation of God in His creation. They rather listen to the vanity & speculation of mortal men than the obvious evidence before their very eyes. The 'luckiness' of the earth being in the middle of the goldilocks zone of perfection, rather than the product of any intelligent design....it's called 'being blinded by the self pride of their own rebellion and futile vanity of their soul---eating of the tree of the knowledge of good & evil for the purpose of being 'as God,' or similarly, in place of God. They proudly say, "We have no need of God, for we are god."

 

but it is true.

modern capitalist society worships mammon and the guiding light is the profit margin.

say it aint so as much as you like, but you only have to turn on your computer/TV/whatever and you know its true.

we are told to lose ourselves in consuming goods we don't need; reshaping our bodies and to feel bad if we don't look like some impossibly airbrushed being.

we're taught that whats really important in this life is how much money we have, and whether we got a good deal or not.

that is the truth.

we have become so materialistic that we don't really have any room for the spiritual anymore - and even most of the christians I see posting on this forum have only boughts a "brand" of christianity that speaks to them a kind of accessory to their material existence - not something that really helps them to contemplate the deeper meaning of spiritual existence.

oh - and in case you think I'm a new ager - THEY have bought a different brand of "spirituality" that suits matches their lifestyle.

 

The reason for what you say is explained & summarized in this one phrase, prophesied about the end times and those 'holding to a form of Godliness but denying its power (aka, the leading of the Holy Spirit, which is the 'power of God' & His manifetation on the earth today)," as mentioned in 2 Tim: the Great Apostasy (or falling away from the faith) that is to come....... it has already been shown as having occurred in 'former' Christian Europe.


But those following the tide of that Apostasy will have no excuses, for the truth is out & evident to those who earnestly search for it. .........

 

whatever.

I just think thats sad.

 

There are four prophets in this world.

James Maynard Keenan
Adam Jones
Justin Chancellor
Danny Carey

The words of love, compassion, and acceptance. Everyone else are wannabes.

 

There is a scripture that says that "The whole creation groans for the manifestation of the end times sons of God." Seeing the condition of the present day Christian church (aka, 'the body of Christ'), I believe that those end times sons of God (men & women, for scripture says that there is no gender in the realm of the spirit) will have come out of the modern churches by following the Spirit of God and NOT as per the doctrines of men.

Some will come out of dead, formal religion seeing the truth (as I believe that I have) and thus thru persecution for their discernment of such and resultant beliefs, will be part of that end times group of 'real' (as in 'faithful,' holding to that truth) believers.


Your 'whatever' response shows an open mind, not totally dismissing any and all things spiritual, and still gives me hope, Cass, for you being one of those, who seeing the hopelessness of this dying world as time goes by, may be part of that group....remember, "With God, ALL things are possible." <wink> OD

 

OD - it aint gonna happen

and when you start quoting the bible ... sigh .. well it just means there is nothing left to say.

 

I was responding to your 'sincerity' and discussion about 'spirituality.'

Sincerity often leads ppl to find the truth as they walk thru life..however, many ppl who followed Hitler were also 'sincere' at the time. Sincerely 'wrong' is still wrong...but today's Liberals often 'mean well' altho they never get the results that they 'intend'...it is still a false ideology and a proven failed belief system...but, but...their come back is always, "we meant well!" Pure egotistical rubbish! ha ha Sorry, but I have to laugh....

That is exactly the type of Global World Order mentality that will usher in a charismatic false messiah and setup the end times...it all sounds good ('Visualize World Peace', etc.) and will fool many ppl...until the real truth behind such as 'man has all the answers' is revealed as a failed system leading unto the death of the human soul...

And as I use scripture to back & bolster my words---you and the many lost ppl on this forum use but 'my opinion' or "I think or believe,' etc....and so, whose words are but vain and of self aggrandization, placing themselves as judge & as god?!!

 

Leaving this discussion, let me say to you, Cass:

As I've said many times B4, scripture warns not to participate in vain 'arguments' over the Gospel which is not profitable, but merely to present the Good News, (forgiveness of one's sins thru repentance, and the price for that unmerited forgiveness by grace being the sacrifice of the Lamb of God) and provide 'reasoning' for the faith in Jesus Christ.

But you, Cass, usually present a side and do not just go on the attack (which I do appreciate), as is the nature of the many nonbelievers on this forum. However, when the usual group of mockers & scoffers (as was prophesied will be in abundance during the end days) whose names I will withhold, chime in with their usual folly, I have resolved to leave them alone to pleasure themselves with their own vain retorts of 'philosophical masturbation." .........

Have a gudday down under, lady....OD