"Prophets" had many mental problems (ex: Mohammad had suicide attempts)

http://answering-islam.org/Silas/suicide.htm
And
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/muhammad_and_jesus_against_sat.html

“Prophets” seem to have some serious mental problems. So don't follow them.


Some have unborn babies ripped out of the mother’s womb (Charles Manson – thought he was divine, belongs in a mental prison.)

Some are so crazy that they try to cut their son’s throat (the Bible approves of this attempt - incredibly.)

Some call black people the N-word (Joseph Smith – Mormon founder.) https://www.google.com/search?q="Jo...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Some are so morally bankrupt that they actually approve of slavery (Jesus.)

Some say to kill all Jews (Mohammad – before the end of days will come, and Hitler.)

Some are mentally-challenged enough that they think it's ok to have sex with a 9 year old (Mohammad).

Some have 3000 innocent people killed (Moses) because they heard voices in their head.

Some are so mentally deranged that they approve of rape of captives (Mohammad).


So a better way would be to follow a belief system that has no “prophets”....just good ol’ fashioned science, reason, common sense, and critical thinking.

 

Response: You can't claim to be a critical and logical thinker and deny the existence of Allah, for the claim itself lacks common sense and critical thinking. Believeing in absurd logic like natural selection and the claim that there is no God is a severe lack of common sense and logic, so you are not one to talk.

 

Natural selection is much more scientifically correct than a book written by someone who was so morally bankrupt that he approved of rape of captives. Do you approve of rape of captives, or was Mohammad morally bankrupt?

If there was some "god", you could easily prove it.

I can prove that the wart on my finger exists (just say, for a wild example, in a court of law - just say it's important evidence in a murder case) but you can't even prove that some "god" exists. "Allah" was simply a figment of Mohammad's very fertile (I'll give him that) imagination, as "Allah" always (and even Aisha noted this) seemed to give revelations to Mohammad at very very convenient times that helped Mohammad's never-ending quest for sex, money, and power.

I can prove a wart, you can't even prove "god". Think about that.

 

Fatihah, don't many many people who have multiple suicide attempts today belong in a mental hospital because they need some serious psychological help?
Don't people who have sex with 9 year olds also belong in mental hospitals/prisons?
If someone owns slaves today, wouldn't they probably be suffering some kind of mental problem (or at least not be the "ultimate role model of all time", for sure)?

 

Response: To the contrary, your very existence is proof of intelligent design, for the human race is an intelligent species. Therefore, the origin of humans comes from intelligent design, thus proving the existece of God, for to say otherwise would mean that unintelligence created intelligence, which makes no sense because by definition......it's not intelligent. Debunked as usual.

 

Response: Don't people who lack common sense the very definition of a mental patient? Thus since the existence of God is common sense, thus denying it make those mentally unstable? Doesn't science require observation? Yet those who say natural selection is scientific also state that natural selection takes hundreds of years, thus showing that natural selection is not scientific because no one has observed it? Isn't this obvious flaw in logic a great example of a mental patient if a person refuses to ackowledge such a flaw and claim that natural selection is scientific anyway, despite the obvious?

 

Really, Charles Manson? Starting off desperate I see...

Can you post the verses to this?

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Jesus PBUH approved of slavery by... not ever having any slaves? Ugh...

That Hadith is talking about a WAR between Muslims and Jews. Hitler didn't fight a war against Jews.

Were you there to verify Aisha's age? No, I didn't think so.

Besides, in this time, all over the world, women were married off at younger ages. They matured quicker than today, and people didn't live that long.

They weren't innocent people, just because YOU think they were innocent doesn't mean they were...

The Prophet Muhammad PBUH didn't approve of raping anybody.


[quotw]So a better way would be to follow a belief system that has no “prophets”....just good ol’ fashioned science, reason, common sense, and critical thinking.[/QUOTE]

Feel free to start thinking any time. Thanks.

 

Today, today, today.

I thought you used common sense?

 

Let's see if YOU use common sense: please answer this: is the Qur'an right when it says that Mohammad is a role model for all time? In other words, is Mohammad a role model for today, today, today (ie is slavery good today, OR is the Qur'an wrong because slaver-master Mohammad is not a good role model for today)?

If "Allah" was ACTUALLY communicating to Mohammad, he obviously (if "Allah" was at least as moral as my little pet pig) would have said "stop porking the kid, and just say to end all slavery." Obviously.

 

You couldn't be more wrong.
Read this, guys: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam


Also:
This practice of raping war captives was implemented by Islam’s very own prophet Muhammad, in his life. On two occasions, he married (for the sake of marriage only) war captives and raped them. Those victims were namely Safiyya and Juwairiyya.

Safiyah the daughter of Huayy was the wife of a Jewish Rabbi named Kinana. When Muhammad conquered the Jewish village of Khaibar, he tortured and killed the Jewish Rabbi and grabbed his wife. Sahih Hadith in Bukhari testifies to this fact:
Narrated 'Abdul 'Aziz: Anas said, 'When Allah's Apostle invaded Khaibar, we offered the Fajr prayer there yearly in the morning) when it was still dark. The Prophet rode and Abu Talha rode too and I was riding behind Abu Talha. The Prophet passed through the lane of Khaibar quickly and my knee was touching the thigh of the Prophet . He uncovered his thigh and I saw the whiteness of the thigh of the Prophet. When he entered the town, he said, 'Allahu Akbar! Khaibar is ruined. Whenever we approach near a (hostile) nation (to fight) then evil will be the morning of those who have been warned.' He repeated this thrice. The people came out for their jobs and some of them said, 'Muhammad (has come).' (Some of our companions added, "With his army.") We conquered Khaibar, took the captives, and the booty was collected. Dihya came and said, 'O Allah's Prophet! Give me a slave girl from the captives.' The Prophet said, 'Go and take any slave girl.' He took Safiya bint Huyai. A man came to the Prophet and said, 'O Allah's Apostles! You gave Safiya bint Huyai to Dihya and she is the chief mistress of the tribes of Quraiza and An-Nadir and she befits none but you.' So the Prophet said, 'Bring him along with her.' So Dihya came with her and when the Prophet saw her, he said to Dihya, 'Take any slave girl other than her from the captives.' Anas added: The Prophet then manumitted her and married her." Thabit asked Anas, "O Abu Hamza! What did the Prophet pay her (as Mahr)?" He said, "Her self was her Mahr for he manumitted her and then married her." Anas added, "While on the way, Um Sulaim dressed her for marriage (ceremony) and at night she sent her as a bride to the Prophet . So the Prophet was a bridegroom and he said, 'Whoever has anything (food) should bring it.' He spread out a leather sheet (for the food) and some brought dates and others cooking butter. (I think he (Anas) mentioned As-SawTq). So they prepared a dish of Hais (a kind of meal). And that was Walima (the marriage banquet) of Allah's Apostle ."
Sahih Bukhari 1:8:367

This hadith from Sunan Abu Dawud bears out how Muhammad snatched Juwairiyya a beautiful woman of a tribe called Banu Mustaliq. Muhammad was attacking the tribe without warning and conquering them. The following hadith from Sahih Bukhari is evidentiary to it:
Narrated Ibn Aun: I wrote a letter to Nafi and Nafi wrote in reply to my letter that the Prophet had suddenly attacked Bani Mustaliq without warning while they were heedless and their cattle were being watered at the places of water. Their fighting men were killed and their women and children were taken as captives; the Prophet got Juwairiya on that day. Nafi said that Ibn 'Umar had told him the above narration and that Ibn 'Umar was in that army.

 

So far has any poster said that Mohammad did NOT attempt suicide? If so, have they removed that part from their Islamic texts then, which they would be rushing out to do as we speak if it was indeed so wrong?

Debunked as usual. (Hey, that's kinda fun, I think Fatihah is on to something here!)

 

Response: There is nothing in the qur'an or sunnah that states that Muhammad(saw) attempted suicide, nor can you quote and prove otherwise. Debunked as usual.

 

Here it is again: http://answering-islam.org/Silas/suicide.htm
And
http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/...ainst_sat.html

It doesn't say to change my car's oil in the Quran or sunnah either, but another source (my owner's manual) does, so it's still relevant. Get it?

 

Actually, Muhammad PBUH encouraged freeing slaves. Islam made a slaves life better, a slave in Islam was more like a maid today. Muslims were commanded to treat slaves like a member of the family. Muslims believe we get forgiven for sins and rewarded for freeing slaves.

Not even American slaves were treated like this.

Muhammad PBUH was never a slave master. You made the same false claim about Jesus PBUH as well.

 

Jesus was not a slaver master (I never said he was a slave master) but he did approve of slavery, but Mohammad did own/enslave slaves.

 

Where does this Hadith say anybody was raped, or that they could be raped?

Lies so obvious... You could at least try.

They got married for political reasons, and they were attacked for a reason.

 

OJLeb, religious people just don't get it, marrying a slave is RAPE. I would NOT bet that the horn-dog Mohammad did not have sex with her, come on, it wasn't for political reasons, he wanted some tail! The reason they were attacked in many cases was that Islam was trying to spread "by the sword" - which it clearly did in those days.

 

He owned slaves and freed slaves. As I said, Muhammad PBUH greatly improved the conditions of slaves in the time, that not even America could match.

Oh sorry, but that claim is just as absurb as saying he is a slave master. Jesus PBUH had no slaves.

 

More Islamic rape atrocities, from a previous link:


Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24]
Abu Dawud 2:2150

Here in the above hadith from Abu Dawud, we understand why the Qur'anic verse 4:24 was allegedly revealed to Muhammad. It was to encourage his fighters to have sexual contacts with female captives even while their husbands were alive as prisoners of war. The hadith sheds some more light on this fact, when we read:

"Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers."

The Abu Dawud hadith is confirmed by the two Sahih collections, namely Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim. There is a chapter devoted to this in the Sahih Muslim collection. The title of the chapter speaks in volumes as we read:

Sahih Muslim. Chapter 29: Title: It is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a captive woman after she is purified of menses or delivery. In case she has a husband, her marriage is abrogated after she becomes captive.

Abu Sa'id al-Khudri reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (Quran 4:. 24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).
Sahih Muslim 8:3432

Similarly in Sahih Bukhari:
Narrated Ibn Muhairiz: I entered the Mosque and saw Abu Said Al-Khudri and sat beside him and asked him about Al-Azl (i.e. coitus interruptus). Abu Said said, "We went out with Allah's Apostle for the Ghazwa of Banu Al-Mustaliq and we received captives from among the Arab captives and we desired women and celibacy became hard on us and we loved to do coitus interruptus. So when we intended to do coitus interrupt us, we said, 'How can we do coitus interruptus before asking Allah's Apostle who is present among us?" We asked (him) about it and he said, 'It is better for you not to do so, for if any soul (till the Day of Resurrection) is predestined to exist, it will exist."
Sahih Bukhari 5:59:459

 

You don't know what manumitted means, do you?

It was for political reasons. Their marriage improved the relationship between the Muslims and the tribe, as they were now related. The prisoners were freed, without the ransom.

Islam was spread through the words of Muhammad PBUH. With the words of Allah SWT, the Quran. It is a book, not a sword.

Your ignorance makes it too easy to refute your claims.

 

OJLeb, Jesus, like Mohammad, approved of slavery:

slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show.
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.
The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

 

That may also have been true (in addition to the rape), but if, say, GW Bush got to rape a woman as part of a political arrangement like this (this is what Mohammad did), then it would be wrong, correct?

It was a way for an oversexed pervert (already had wives) to get some more action.

 

Nowhere does it say they were raped. The Quran says, we cannot force slave women to have sex with us or anybody else. So any Muslim who had sex with a slave did so with her concent.

You don't understand, these Hadiths have nothing to do with raping slave women. As in forcing them to have sex with them or other people.

Rape is a sin in Islam.

Copy/Paste posters never know what they are talking about. You cannot find a single Quran verse or Hadith which says, straight out, "Muslims can rape women", so all you do is twist certain Hadiths - which have nothing to do with rape to begin with - as your "proof" that Muslims can rape women.

First question, why do you try (yet fail) to show that we are allowed to rape women? Most people wth any amount of common sense would realize how stupid you are, trying to convince me I am allowed to rape people.

But, of coursel, you fail to prove anything in Islam which permits rape. Having consensual sex, or marriage, isn't rape. I like how you tried to claim marriaging a slave is rape. Seeing as how in Islam a marriage isn't completed unless both people involved give their consent, again you just got refuted.

Second question, why, if you are so confident Muhammad PBUH approved of rape, can't you provide one single Islamic source proving your claim? There must be tons of evidence of this, yet you only post bloggers opinions in Hadiths you never even knew about until you Google searched "Islam approves rape".

What else should I expect from a Copy/Paster?

 

I am wasting my time with you. You have no legitimate argument.

Muhammad PBUH didn't rape her. None of the Hadiths you posted even hint that there was rape. Because, simply, there wasn't.

She agreed to the marriage.

You are simply a clueless bigot without your own opinion.

 

Explain then why Jesus PBUH didn't have any slaves?

I am sure you have done with these.verses what you attempted with the Hadiths, so I will let a Christian respond to the verses.