Proposed changes to Indiana RFRA

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Perriquine, Apr 2, 2015.

  1. Perriquine

    Perriquine On hiatus Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2007
    Messages:
    9,587
    Likes Received:
    148
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Here are the proposed changes to Indiana's recently passed "Religious Freedom Restoration Act" (RFRA):


    Quite an about-face from the originally passed law. I think this strikes a good balance, protecting members of the public from discrimination in their business dealings, while reiterating the protections that churches and religious organizations already enjoy.

    Thoughts? I'd prefer that discussion remain focused on the proposed changes above, please.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/02/indiana-lgbt-protections_n_6992184.html

    (Yes, I know how much some here hate the Huffington Post, but it was the only place I could find that has the actual proposed language of the bill modifying the new RFRA.)
     
  2. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    59,256
    Likes Received:
    4,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually, it doesnt seem to change a thing.
     
  3. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,489
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Of course it does, it negates the hysterical narrative by the left entirely. It does what all RFRA's are designed to do and that is to protect religious freedoms from an overzealous government.

    "This seems to mitigate many of the risks posed by RFRA, making clear that the law is not meant to provide exemptions from antidiscrimination law," said Doug NeJaime, a law professor at the University of California, Irvine. "This is important language."

    Text of the Conference Committee Report

    Sec. 0.7. This chapter does not:
    (1) authorize a provider to refuse to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation,k gender identity, or United States military service;
    (2) establish a defense to a civil action or criminal prosecution for refusal by a provider to offer or provide services, facilities, use of public accommodations, goods, employment, or housing to any member or members of the general public on the basis of race, color, religion, ancestry, age, national origin, disability, sex, sexual orientation,k gender identity, or United States military service;
    (3)negate any rights available under the Constitution of the State of Indiana.
    Sec 7.5. As used in this chapter, "provider" means one (1) or more individuals, partnerships, associations, organizations, limited liability companies, corporations, and other organized groups of persons. The term does not include:
    (1) A church or other nonprofit religious organization or society, including an affiliated school, that is exempt from federal income taxation under 26 U.S.C. 501(a), as amended (excluding any activity that generates unrelated business taxable income (as defined in 26 U.S.C. 512, as amended)).
    (2) A rabbi, priest, preacher, minister, pastor, or designee of a church or other nonprofit religious organization or society when the individual is engaged in a religious or affiliated educational function of the church or other nonprofit religious organization or society.
     
  4. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    59,256
    Likes Received:
    4,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I meant it doesnt change a thing in the written law.
     
  5. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,489
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Right, it reflects the intent of the Federal law except it is now the only one in the union that protects all from discrimination specifically.
     
  6. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    59,256
    Likes Received:
    4,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No, it merely states that the statute itself doesnt authorize discrimination and provides no protections.
     
  7. slackercruster

    slackercruster Banned

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,194
    Likes Received:
    509
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't know. Too legal or my puny brain, don't understand it. I'd say if the religious people find 2 guys swapping spit distasteful, why push it on em.

    A while back I wanted to get a book made of some of my photos. Two small print companies refused it. Said it was offensive to them. They were Mennonites and Amish. I didn't get bent out of shape. Should I have sued them?

    Even if I sued and won would they do a crappy job by being forced into it?I had about 6 transvestites and 3 nudes of women in the book. The rest of the 35 pix were non nude. If they find it distasteful and offensive to their religion, fine with me. I wont' push it on em.

    If queers go into a religious establishment for service they would not like it if the proprietor lectured them on how the bible tells believers to kill the queers and how wrong they are and will burn in hell. I'd tell the queers to go to queer friendly businesses for service. I'd tell the holy rollers to not lecture the queers, just refuse to go against your religious beliefs....or is that illegal now?

    To show you how screwy things are with queers... I was listening to Fresh Air a few days ago on the radio. They interviewed a queer. He said queers that refuse to have anal sex are labelled as homophobic!

    Wow, I never knew a queer can be a homophobic queer?

    (BTW...I am an atheist. I'm just saying.)
     
  8. Pax Aeon

    Pax Aeon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2015
    Messages:
    7,291
    Likes Received:
    432
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Gender:
    Female
  9. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2012
    Messages:
    107,541
    Likes Received:
    34,489
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You mean a new special protected class does not exist for a problem that does not exist.
     
  10. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    59,256
    Likes Received:
    4,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not in Indiana. It is illegal in several states and individual cities. Heres an Oregon Baker, fined $1000 and possibly $150,000 in damages for refusing to do a gay wedding cake, even though they simply went to another baker to get their cake.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2015/03/sweet_cakes_discrimination_hea_1.html
     
  11. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2010
    Messages:
    59,256
    Likes Received:
    4,649
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Thats why I suspect many on the gays and their supporters wont be satisfied with this revision. They generally insist upon special treatment based upon their sexual orientation and sexual identity.

    But then again, the revision convinced Perriquine that "Quite an about-face" has occured. This Pizza place could open back up under this law, the one without the revision and the one in existance before this new statute was even introduced, and refuse any service to gays, and they wouldnt have violated any law.
    Gays and their supporters believe they are entitled to special protections wherever they go. A homosexual entitlement mentality that convinces them that the world owes the homosexuals. Even in Indiana where they have no such laws.
     
  12. Tram Law

    Tram Law Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2012
    Messages:
    9,582
    Likes Received:
    70
    Trophy Points:
    0
    (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)s and leftists think they're so special and can't be refused anything.
     

Share This Page