Publicly tortured to death for being gay (in Africa)

Discussion in 'Gay & Lesbian Rights' started by Anders Hoveland, May 1, 2012.

  1. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So if I start a private club, just myself, then start inviting people to join my club (but maintain a strict ban on blacks/uni students/etc) is this acceptable? This is also known as a business. One invites specific people onto their property to trade goods and services - the nightclub rejects people without dress shoes, the Wimbledon women's final rejects men, the director looking for a black lead actor rejects whites.

    Assuming I have a completely private and isolated property, who are you to tell me that I cannot invite certain people inside to socialize/trade/whatever - as long as both parties agree, where's the skin off your back?

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    This idea that the state should have control of interactions with other people is ridiculous. Let individuals associate on a voluntary basis, there's no need for totalitarian top down control.
     
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    One more time- if you have a business that is open to the public, then you serve the public. If you want to discriminate, start a private club. It's that simple.

    What did you not understand about what I said? I don't understand what is confusing for you.
     
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    Because the associations I am describing are all private, voluntary interactions between consenting individuals, and yet you still define this as "public", and propose that the state should rule over them.

    There's absolutely no justification for the use of force to prevent voluntary interactions of the sort you seem to think are public. There's even less of a justification to place a monopoly of this use of force in the hands of the government.
     
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    In the US you can refuse service to anyone for any reason OTHER than Race, national origin, sex, religion and in some states sexual orientation. The practical effect is you can refuse service to the hipster university kids, as long as they are not also a racial minority, from a foreign country, of a particular religion other than Christianity or a homosexual. Because if you do it will be presumed you aren't refusing them because they are hipster university kids but instead because of these other characteristics
     
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    Again- if you own a business and have a public business license, you serve the pubic. If you want to discriminate, start a private club. It's done all the time.
     
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    Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying is illegitimate. If myself and others choose to do voluntary business that's none of the state's business and any requirement to get a license is no more valid than a criminal asking for your wallet.
     

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