Pure Zionism by the right in Israel

so this is all just a joke to you?

 

No. This is me replying to your comments.

 

Sure. How about you hold your breath till there is actually a date set to revise that court ruling.... lol
Your attitude is just like your random prisoner who yells he's innocent,.. innocent I say.
It aint like that until the court says you are. Until than, you be an occupier.
And the entire world agrees with the court, even the Israeli high court.

 

And they all been contradicted by the UN Charter, Article 80 that keeps that Mandate valid, and the Mandate states that the Jews have the right to settle in "Palestine".

 

The world says you're wrong.

 

And they've been contradicted by the UN Charter.
Or maybe are you saying that it is ok to ignore internatonal Charter?

 

lol!!!

you have stated in this thread that its ok for Israel to ignore UN Security Council resolutions:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_252

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_267

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Unite...Resolution_271

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_298

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_476

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_478

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_452

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_465

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_471

 

No. I stated that all the resolutions that use the words "occupied" and/or "illegal" are been contradicted by the UN Charter.

 

that doesn't change the fact that Israel, as a member of the UN, is required to abide by all UNSC resolutions.

if they think a resolution is illegal, they can challenge it in court.

but as a member of the UN, they are required to abide by all UNSC resolutions.

 

And it doesnt change the fact that the UN and it's organiations need to respect thier own Charter in their resolutions. And their resolutions are doing the oposite by been contradicted by the UN Charter.

 

Under which circumstances are members of the UN allowed to ignore UNSC resolutions?

 

I never said that.
I said that:

And it doesnt change the fact that the UN and it's organiations need to respect thier own Charter in their resolutions. And their resolutions are doing the oposite by been contradicted by the UN Charter.

 

I know that. I just showed you that even the Brits and America already recognized that a trsteeship agreement needs to be made for the Mandate to end. This was of course, according to Article 80.

It is matter.
You are saying that Hamas and Irgun is the same in thier nspirations, but the fact is that the Irgun's inspirations was not religous, while the inspirations of Hamas is driven from religous reasons.

The Irgun is no longer exist, you know that right?

When from Gaza were launched rockets, then in that time the truce was violated, and not by Israel, but by terror organizations in Gaza, that Hamas as the one that control Gaza, needed to not let them fire the rockets.
When those rockets were launched, the truce was violated, and that was the attacks of the IDF on Gaza.

Article 80 protects the Mandate, as I already showed you numerous of times. And by your experts that saying that the settlements are illegal and there is occupation, then it is contradicting the UN Charter, thus is saying that they dont respect UN Charter and dont follow it.

The British Mandate was indeed over, but the document of the Mandate is still valid thanks to Article 80 of the UN Charter.
A recognition is not an agreement, thus it needs to have an agreement for the Mandate to end.

So are you saying that the "Palestinians" are part of Egypt, Jurdan and 57 Muslim states? Because by that you are generelizing all Arabs, as they have same inspirations.

So are you saying that a government doenst need to respect it's governmantal reports?

As I aleady said:

It depents on how much evidences there are, and if the evidences are solid for indictments, and so on. It doesnt mean necessarily that is is not fair and it breaks the laws.
Like you would never say such a thing on the American Courts that didnt released indictments on the police officers that killed all the black people (I heard only on 1 case- the recent event), and why? because they didnt have alot of evidences for indictments and probably because of more problems that couldnt made it to indictments against those officers.

And this is in contradiction about the PLO Charter, that states that "Palestine" in it's whole is a "Palestinian" territory.

I never said that Abbas wants a third intifadah, but yes Abbas in the last riots in Jerusalem ignites Arabs to use "all means neccesery" in the riots. As I already showed you.

So are you saying that personal opinions are above facts? If not, then I dont see the point of you writing Yaakov Peri's personal opinion about the conflict.

And according to a UN document, they havent changed their Charter, as I showed you.
Are you saying that the UN is not telling the truth?

Not quit fullfiled it:
According to Fatah central committee member, Azzam Al-Ahmad, declered after a conferece in 2009, that the movement's Charter was never chagned:

According to Prof. Yehoshafat Harkabi one of the main pronciples of the Charter is that a warfare against Israel is legal, while Israel self-defence is illegal, as it was written in Article 18 (if you want to know, that article was never been disccused to be amnded).

Also according to Article 3 from their Charter, states: (another article that was never been discussed to be amnded)

Which means, that only the "Palestinian" people have the right to self-determination, and the entire country belongs to them:

According to a letter that was written in 2011 in the UN and been directed to the 16th session of the Human Rights Council, the PLO Charter was never been changed, and that Arafat used the Franch expression " c’est caduc" (= null and void) firstly in 1989, and again in 1993 letter of recognition.
The meeting that was held in Gaza that called to change the charter, was indeed happened what it's decision was no effect:

Despite the optimism by Israel and the US for the change of the PLO Charter, it was never been changed. Even according to a report by the "Palestinian" Authority's Ministry of Information on the status of the Charter that been published in 1999, made no mention about the 1998 events (the year when allegedly the Arabs should have changed their Charter) and leading Arabs continue to state that the Charter has never been chaged.
This was been confirmed in 2009, when Azzam Al-Ahmad stated that the charter was never been changed:

Source: http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/...25785500565876

If you will take a close look on what I wrote, you will see that I used also Articles from the PLo Charter, that wasnt ellegedly amended.

And still it doesnt chagned the fact that this is his own personal facts.

Tell it to the Arabs. Once the Arabs will put down their weapons and will stop fighting Israel and would have a real inspiration to end this conflict, then Israel will follow. After all in the Israeli's decleration of independece, it states there, that Israel wants to live in peace with all it's Arab neighbors, while the Charters of organizations in the Arabs side, they call for the disctruction of Israel, as I already showed.

 

if Israel can ignore the UN Charter, so can the UNSC.

 

Israel has fullfiled resolutions like 242, while the UNSC is been contradicted by the UN Charter.
Are you saying that UN's organizations can violate it's own Charter?

 

Israel, as a UN member, is obligated to follow ALL UNSC resolutions.

Israel has ignored the following UNSC resolutions:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_252

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_267

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Unite...Resolution_271

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_298

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_476

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_478

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_452

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_465

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...Resolution_471

the Israeli govt. must be punished for this, with sanctions or being kicked out of the UN

 

And all resolutions that use the words "occupied" and/or "illegal" are been contradicted by the UN Charter.

 

doesn't matter, Israel still has to abide by them.

 

Are you soppurting that UN's organizations violate UN Charter?

 

are you supporting that Israel can violate and ignore UNSC resolutions?

 

That's not what I said.
I said that all resolutions that use the words "occupied" and/or "illegal" are been contradicted by the UN Charter.

 

irrelevant.

Israel is required to abide by all UNSC resolutions.

 

And UN's organizations need to respect and follow their own Charter.

 

but you think its ok for Israel to ignore UNSC resolutions.