Push to ban unvaccinated children from NSW preschools

Adultmale · Jun 2, 2013

Mario Milano said: ↑

Time to find other alternatives to fix our health than rely on nut jobs (snake oil salesmen) that tell us that poisoning us is good for us because big pharma companies make billions!

Tell us Bowerbirdy, how did humanity survive for thousands of years before big pharma thieves came along (only 70 years ago)...I bet you won't answer that!....WILL YOU!!!!
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Go and read up on the health of people in the past, it might open your eyes. Go and have a look in an old grave yard, one that has graves prior to say 1910. Look at the ages of the people buried there.

Bowerbird · Jun 2, 2013

Mario Milano said: ↑

Oh really? Seems like you guys are trying to shut down discussion on the argument by avoiding little (huge) things like this
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30 Years of Secret Official Transcripts Show UK Government Experts Cover Up Vaccine Hazards To Sell More Vaccines
March 14, 2012 [/B]

An extraordinary new paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts” sitting on them with their drug industry connections.

If you want to get an idea of who is responsible for your child’s condition resulting from a vaccine adverse reaction then this is the paper to read. What you have to ask yourself is if the people on these committees are honest and honourable and acting in the best interests of British children, how is it this has been going on for at least 30 years?

We quote here from the author’s summary and the paper:

Deliberately concealing information from parents for the sole purpose of getting them to comply with an “official” vaccination schedule could be considered as a form of ethical violation or misconduct. Official documents obtained from the UK Department of Health (DH) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program.

The 45 page paper with detailed evidence can be downloaded here: The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds? Lucija Tomljenovic, Neural Dynamics Research Group, Dept. of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada. It was presented at and forms part of the proceedings of The 2011 BSEM Scientific Conference now published online here: The Health Hazards of Disease Prevention BSEM Scientific Conference, March 2011.

There are other papers also found at that link which you will find an excellent read.

The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:

Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the JCVI made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained. As a result of such vaccination policy promoted by the JCVI and the DH, many children have been vaccinated without their parents being disclosed the critical information about demonstrated risks of serious adverse reactions, one that the JCVI appeared to have been fully aware of. It would also appear that, by withholding this information, the JCVI/DH neglected the right of individuals to make an informed consent concerning vaccination. By doing so, the JCVI/DH may have violated not only International Guidelines for Medical Ethics (i.e., Helsinki Declaration and the International Code of Medical Ethics) [2] but also, their own Code of Practice.

Read the article here:

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards/

Oh and look there is more that you will obviously ignore.......

Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax

If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) "Immunization Schedules," which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.

Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system's elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study's findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.

You can access Dr. Tomljenovic's full paper here:
http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html#ixzz2V6h94oTR
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Conspiracy theories by a few nut jobs

The CDC is open source and includes ALL recorded adverse effects of vaccines - including if the person has been involved in a car crash
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/safety/
http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/data

DominorVobis · Jun 2, 2013

Bowerbird said: ↑

Conspiracy theories by a few nut jobs

The CDC is open source and includes ALL recorded adverse effects of vaccines - including if the person has been involved in a car crash
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/safety/
http://vaers.hhs.gov/data/data
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The British Society for Ecological Medicine and Natural News.com are radical homeopathic sites. Natural news site having it's pages filled with snake oil advertisements. Good sources.

Flyflicker · Jun 2, 2013

Mario Milano said: ↑

Oh really? Seems like you guys are trying to shut down discussion on the argument by avoiding little (huge) things like this
____
30 Years of Secret Official Transcripts Show UK Government Experts Cover Up Vaccine Hazards To Sell More Vaccines
March 14, 2012 [/B]

An extraordinary new paper published by a courageous doctor and investigative medical researcher has dug the dirt on 30 years of secret official transcripts of meetings of UK government vaccine committees and the supposedly independent medical “experts” sitting on them with their drug industry connections.

If you want to get an idea of who is responsible for your child’s condition resulting from a vaccine adverse reaction then this is the paper to read. What you have to ask yourself is if the people on these committees are honest and honourable and acting in the best interests of British children, how is it this has been going on for at least 30 years?

We quote here from the author’s summary and the paper:

Deliberately concealing information from parents for the sole purpose of getting them to comply with an “official” vaccination schedule could be considered as a form of ethical violation or misconduct. Official documents obtained from the UK Department of Health (DH) and the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) reveal that the British health authorities have been engaging in such practice for the last 30 years, apparently for the sole purpose of protecting the national vaccination program.

The 45 page paper with detailed evidence can be downloaded here: The vaccination policy and the Code of Practice of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI): are they at odds? Lucija Tomljenovic, Neural Dynamics Research Group, Dept. of Ophthalmology and Visual Sciences, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada. It was presented at and forms part of the proceedings of The 2011 BSEM Scientific Conference now published online here: The Health Hazards of Disease Prevention BSEM Scientific Conference, March 2011.

There are other papers also found at that link which you will find an excellent read.

The author, Dr Lucija Tomljenovic writes:

Here I present the documentation which appears to show that the JCVI made continuous efforts to withhold critical data on severe adverse reactions and contraindications to vaccinations to both parents and health practitioners in order to reach overall vaccination rates which they deemed were necessary for “herd immunity”, a concept which with regards to vaccination, and contrary to prevalent beliefs, does not rest on solid scientific evidence as will be explained. As a result of such vaccination policy promoted by the JCVI and the DH, many children have been vaccinated without their parents being disclosed the critical information about demonstrated risks of serious adverse reactions, one that the JCVI appeared to have been fully aware of. It would also appear that, by withholding this information, the JCVI/DH neglected the right of individuals to make an informed consent concerning vaccination. By doing so, the JCVI/DH may have violated not only International Guidelines for Medical Ethics (i.e., Helsinki Declaration and the International Code of Medical Ethics) [2] but also, their own Code of Practice.

Read the article here:

http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2012/03/14/government-experts-cover-up-vaccine-hazards/

Oh and look there is more that you will obviously ignore.......

Secret government documents reveal vaccines to be a total hoax

If you have children, you are more than likely already aware of the official U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) "Immunization Schedules," which today recommend an astounding 29 vaccines be given between birth and six years of age, including yearly flu shots, as well as another five to 16 vaccines between ages seven and 18 (http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/). But a recent investigative report compiled by Dr. Lucija Tomljenovic, Ph.D., uncovers more than 30 years of hidden government documents exposing these vaccine schedules as a complete hoax, not to mention the fraud of the vaccines themselves to provide any real protection against disease.

Though her paper focuses primarily on the British health system's elaborate cover-up of the dirty truth about its own national vaccination program, the tenets of the study's findings still apply to vaccination schedules in general, which are typically designed for the purpose of serving corporate interests rather than public health. Government authorities, it turns out, in an ongoing bid to satisfy the private goals of the vaccine industry, have deliberately covered up pertinent information about the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccines from parents in order to maintain a high rate of vaccination compliance. And in the process, they have put countless millions of children at risk of serious side effects and death.

You can access Dr. Tomljenovic's full paper here:
http://www.ecomed.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/3-tomljenovic.pdf

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/038598_vaccines_medical_hoax_government_documents.html#ixzz2V6h94oTR
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Dr Lucija Tomljenovic, who also practices homeopathic medicine (see also - witch doctor) has written quite prolifically, I see. This is what real scientists say about her work, however:

So Tomljenovic and Shaw completely ignore all of this information (or is the above not explicit enough?) aside from the fact that the issues are blatantly obvious to anyone vaguely rational, the fact that the VAERS data are deliberately misused renders the entire paper not only complete garbage but technically fraudulent.
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Bowerbird · Jun 2, 2013

DominorVobis said: ↑

The British Society for Ecological Medicine and Natural News.com are radical homeopathic sites. Natural news site having it's pages filled with snake oil advertisements. Good sources.
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Tell us about it

I love some of those though "Himalayan Salt" is one of my favourites!!

Now what's really interesting about processed table salt is that it's missing over 80 minerals. But they only put ONE mineral back in -- iodine. That's because iodine is the one mineral that causes the most obvious disease (goiter is sort of hard to not notice).

Iodine is a naturally occurring mineral in the ocean. It's abundant in seafood and in real sea salt, but it's completely missing from refined white table salt.

So they started adding iodine to table salt, creating "iodized salt."

But why would you want to eat salt that's been artificially enriched with ONE mineral when you could be eating salt that naturally contains eighty-four minerals?

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/028724_Himalayan_salt_sea.html#ixzz2V7C6ZT7M
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Okaaaay - leaving aside the fact that Sodium Chloride is one of the more insidious poisons on this planet (think hypertension = heart attacks) and you are left with the claim that it has "80 minerals" and NOWHERE are those minerals listed. And it is no wonder because with only around (and anyone can correct me here) about 98 minerals on the periodic table that occur naturally then we can sort of assume that there will be some that are not so good for you among those 80 claiming to be in the salt. Apparently the pretty pink colour comes form Iron Oxide or rust.

Flyflicker · Jun 2, 2013

Bowerbird said: ↑

Tell us about it

I love some of those though "Himalayan Salt" is one of my favourites!!

Okaaaay - leaving aside the fact that Sodium Chloride is one of the more insidious poisons on this planet (think hypertension = heart attacks) and you are left with the claim that it has "80 minerals" and NOWHERE are those minerals listed. And it is no wonder because with only around (and anyone can correct me here) about 98 minerals on the periodic table that occur naturally then we can sort of assume that there will be some that are not so good for you among those 80 claiming to be in the salt. Apparently the pretty pink colour comes form Iron Oxide or rust.
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Some of them are not so good for you?
You have had your recommended daily allowance of arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury, haven't you?

Bowerbird · Jun 2, 2013

Flyflicker said: ↑

Some of them are not so good for you?
You have had your recommended daily allowance of arsenic, cadmium, lead, and mercury, haven't you?
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The REAL irony - Himalayan Salt that "Natural news" touts as being so wonderful and great and..........

Contains SIGNIFICANT amount of fluoride
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=115738

DominorVobis · Jun 3, 2013

Bowerbird said: ↑

Tell us about it

I love some of those though "Himalayan Salt" is one of my favourites!!

Okaaaay - leaving aside the fact that Sodium Chloride is one of the more insidious poisons on this planet (think hypertension = heart attacks) and you are left with the claim that it has "80 minerals" and NOWHERE are those minerals listed. And it is no wonder because with only around (and anyone can correct me here) about 98 minerals on the periodic table that occur naturally then we can sort of assume that there will be some that are not so good for you among those 80 claiming to be in the salt. Apparently the pretty pink colour comes form Iron Oxide or rust.
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Sorry BB but your talking about elements. There are around 4000 minerals currently, with 30 odd added each year. Minerals are mostly compounds.

A mineral substance is defined as a naturally occurring, homogeneous solid, inorganically formed, with a well defined chemical composition (or range of compositions), and an ordered atomic arrangement, that has been formed by geological processes, either on earth or in extraterrestrial bodies.
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The derivation of the definition of mineral has much more to do with the history of mineralogy than semantics.
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http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/faq/faqmingen.htm

But yes, I would definitely want to know what the 80 minerals were, mercury is a mineral and I wouldn't like to have it in my salt.

Bowerbird · Jun 3, 2013

DominorVobis said: ↑

Sorry BB but your talking about elements. There are around 4000 minerals currently, with 30 odd added each year. Minerals are mostly compounds.

http://www.minsocam.org/msa/collectors_corner/faq/faqmingen.htm

But yes, I would definitely want to know what the 80 minerals were, mercury is a mineral and I wouldn't like to have it in my salt.
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Turns out they were talking elements as well!!

Recusant · Jun 3, 2013

Bowerbird said: ↑

As you see the manufacturer is actually CSL Commonwealth Serum Laboratories
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I think in the USA, they're pushing flu vaccines down to 6+ months.

Is CSL the company that had a (*)(*)(*)(*)-poor vaccine record last season? I don't read "The Australian" by habit, but I recall a story about them. Despite the issues they had, they were given the national contract again. Justification: it was the only Australian produced vaccine.

Oz search: http://search.news.com.au/search?us=ndmtheaustralian&as=TAUS&filter-site=TheAustralian&q=csl+vaccine

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ation-inadequate/story-fn3dxity-1226079805109

The investigations said reactions to that batch ran at around 1 in 100 children, around 10 times the expected rate. More than 410 adverse reactions in children under five were reported to health authorities before Fluvax was withdrawn, including 67 cases of convulsions, high fever and vomiting.
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I didn't know this - it's quite terrifying:

The FDA has the power to inspect any manufacturing facility across the world that supplies medicines to the lucrative US health market, and sent inspectors to CSLs local facilities in March.
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The FDA is basically a patsy for the industry. On this occasion, it's actually good to see that it's taking the reputation of vaccines seriously by trying to deal with bad PR. Note I've worded that carefully.

Bowerbird · Jun 3, 2013

Recusant said: ↑

I think in the USA, they're pushing flu vaccines down to 6+ months.

Is CSL the company that had a (*)(*)(*)(*)-poor vaccine record last season? I don't read "The Australian" by habit, but I recall a story about them. Despite the issues they had, they were given the national contract again. Justification: it was the only Australian produced vaccine.

Oz search: http://search.news.com.au/search?us=ndmtheaustralian&as=TAUS&filter-site=TheAustralian&q=csl+vaccine

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...ation-inadequate/story-fn3dxity-1226079805109

I didn't know this - it's quite terrifying:

The FDA is basically a patsy for the industry. On this occasion, it's actually good to see that it's taking the reputation of vaccines seriously by trying to deal with bad PR. Note I've worded that carefully.
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No, this proves that the independent monitoring of adverse events WORKS. That there is no dire dark conspiracy hiding evil reactions from public. The system is not perfect but it DOES work

Meanwhile - where were you in the swine flu epidemic - because I was at work flying out ventilated patients

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