Putin is similar to Hitler, Mussolini or Chinggis Khan (Bloodiest/Strongest czar)

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  1. litwin

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    Putin is similar to Hitler, Mussolini or Genghis Khan who was Bloodiest/Strongest of all Muscovite , or Golden Horde czars

    Muscovy Mongolian form of governance with its 0 respect of personal rights (Hitler and Mussolini provided way more social/juridic rights to the citizens ) . absence of Democracy, where Putin treats locals as the slaves, Putin has religious status which makes Putin more similar to Chinggis Khan . what do you think?

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    Putin and Hitler are polar opposite.
     
  3. litwin

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    You can't really make a good comparison with Chingghis and anyone, he was sui generis. Also he was medieval and very much a part of a world without any real knowledge of the Western Hemisphere and widespread use of gunpowder weaponry, (though that last is not really so). He was part of the Great Heartland Conquerors who periodically destroyed and thus rejuvenated the "Rimlands" surrounding them, at least according to those theories that believed in such things. Such forces cannot exist when we have two hemispheres and weaponry that men don't need a lifetime of training to use effectively

    All modern governments, including the US, are Fascist to a degree.

    I know I will get argument on this but I don't believe History has any Great Villains. We have villainy, and it sometimes consumes its practitioners, but I don't think anyone makes a conscious decision to be Evil. Evil, like Greatness is thrust upon one, and will not be denied. ( One of the few really profound things I ever heard in a television commercial)
     
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    what do you know about Ivan the terrible? and NKVD beasts?

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    The most stark difference between Putin and Hitler is that Putin is only trying to preserve Russia's vital national interests by occupying the Crimea that was originally a Russian territory temporarily given to Ukraine in the 1950s, while Hitler attempted to gobble up Eastern Europe as a whole and enslave the Slavs, using them as forced labourers. Genetically, Hitler belonged to the African haplogroup E, which is obvious from his dark features, and Putin's haplogroup is R1a, an Indo-European haplogroup originated in the Russian steppes. Alois Hitler’s biological father was Jewish, which would make Hitler 1/4 Jewish. Hitler’s haplogroup E1b1b is very common among Africans, Arabs and Jews but it can also be found with minor frequencies in Europe, especially in Southern Europe where the Moors settled in.

     
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    What a bull(*)(*)(*)(*), Germans wasn't stupid enough to use slave economy like communists did, they just wanted to establish their colonies in the east like Portugals, Spaniards and British conquerors did for many years in other parts of the world before, instead of enslaving Germans wanted to give fooled by jewish communists slavs freedom of national socialism.
     
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    Jew Hitler vs Aryan Putin, whats a piece of BS art from a Far -right conspiracist

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    Crimea has never been " originally a "Russian" territory" , sooner Turkish, Tatar, or East Roman...
     
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    Instead of a comparison, this paper thus will provide a short and very gen- eral historical overview of Nazi forced labor and its post-war remembrance. More specifically, it scrutinizes the use of the term “slave” within the memorial dis- course about Nazi forced labor. With slavery being part of European history, its legacy is also likely to be found in ideas of, about, and after National Social- ism. That is, I am asking if and how verdicts of postwar trials, debates about compensation, public commemorations, and – not least – individual memories of former forced laborers themselves spoke of “slave work” or adopted correspond- ing argumentations. How did they view their forced labor against that ‘slavery’ background? Different possible sources may be examined to answer this question, ranging from judicial documents and press publications to representations in films, monu- ments, and museums. I will concentrate on written or videotaped testimonies and private photographs of former forced laborers. Personal testimonies and pictorial evidence, however, do pose certain meth- odological problems that cannot be discussed here (Young, Pagenstecher).

    These biographical sources reflect different postwar memory cultures that have recently been a subject of intensive research (Plato et al). As in the case of American slavery, the current interest in former forced laborers’ narratives has grown enormously. Historians and memory workers have tried to restore voice and dignity to those forgotten victims who have been silenced for so many decades. Furthermore, these narratives help to recognize the victims as individual actors in history. It is, however, important, especially in Germany, not to forget the analysis of perpetrators and bystanders by concentrating one’s research solely on the victims of Nazi crimes. Historical Overview National Socialist Germany created one of the largest systems of forced labor in history. Over twelve million people from over twenty European countries were forced to work for Germany during the Second World War (Herbert; Spoerer, Hakenkreuz). In the summer of 1944 alone, six million foreign civilians, two million prisoners of war, and over half a million concentration camp pris- oners worked in the German Reich. The biggest groups came from Poland and the Soviet Union. A sixth of the foreigners, but half of the Soviet workers, were women, who sometimes had been deported to Germany together with their children or gave birth to them in the camps. All occupied countries were used as workforce reservoirs. Attempts at voluntary recruitment had little success; from 1940 not only Czechs and Poles, but also a growing number of Dutch, Belgians, and French were conscripted. In the occupied territories, too, millions of men, women, and children were forced to work for the enemy. Initially, the Nazis did not want large numbers of foreigners to enter the Reich, fearing hostile political activities, military espionage, or “contamination” of “Aryan blood.”

    After the failure of the attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, however, economic and military needs overruled racist concerns. In 1942, the armament minister Albert Speer and the plenipotentiary for labor deployment Fritz Sauckel began organizing the forced labor of millions of foreigners in the war economy, combining racist repression with efficient exploitation. Starting that same year, in the Soviet Union, tens of thousands were rounded up on the streets and deported to Germany. Thus, Nazi forced labor was not only closely connected to the course of the Second World War, but it was also integrated into a modern, industrial war economy and an urban society, whereas other forms of slavery, although their modern aspects have been underlined recently, were primarily part of agricultural economies and societies. During the Second World War foreigners had to work in agriculture and con- struction, in industry and on the railroad, in private households and the public sector. It was the forced laborers who kept German arms production and food supply going. German industry profited from the increased production, which also helped bring about the post-war economic ‘miracle.’ The import of a foreign workforce that suffered massive discrimination offered many Germans opportunities for social advancement: even poorly qualified German workers became foremen and overseers. Unlike the rest of Europe, the German population did not suffer hunger until 1945, thanks to forced labor in agriculture and the exploitation of the occupied territories (Aly).

    All foreign workers were meticulously registered and controlled by a racial- bureaucratic repressive apparatus comprising the police, Wehrmacht, SS, labor office, and company security guards, thus creating a mixture of private and state slavery. Different from the entirely commercial slavery system in the US, where the planters themselves owned and commanded their slaves and overseers, in Germany there were some conflicts between the slave-‘owning’ SS, Gestapo, and Wehrmacht and the slave-‘exploiting’ companies or their associations. But these intra-regime tensions between work efficiency and war economy on one side, and racialized ideology and state terror on the other side, tend to be overstated in some studies simply because they have produced more archival material. They also fitted well into the historiographical debate between those who saw a central racist mastermind at the heart of Nazi politics and those who stressed conflicting interests of competing actors within a polycratic system of power. No matter, whether National Socialism is being interpreted as Hitler’s personal dictator- ship, as a racial state, as a capitalist class system, or as a bureaucratic regime that relied on the buy-in of the German populace, the discriminatory exploitation system of forced labor generally functioned well.

    http://www.cord-pagenstecher.de/pagenstecher-2010b-treated-like-slaves.pdf.
     
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    This debate about - if it was intended to "use slavery in Third Reich or not" is so controversial that i even don't want to discuss it. Maybe this author biased, anyway, people should know that moral and physical condition of infantry personnel and local population in 1939-1940 in USSR's east european republics was so horrible (after repressions and terror) that they barely looked like normal people, some of them worked in Germany as paid workers others (prisoners of war) as labor slave prisoners. But prisoners would be unnecessary if Russians have agreed with Germans to overthrow their inhumane Bolshevik's regime by themselves.
     
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    full info
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    So what, Obama is similar to Joseph Stalin.
     
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    bs, Obama is just a top manger, he is not a man God ...
     
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    To Obama, Allah is the only god.
     
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    bunch of bs...
     
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    You're not the first to refer to Allah too bull feces.

    Maybe it's camel poop ?
     

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