QANTAS calls the unions bluff

Yep, and if it wasn't for unions there'd be many, MANY, more companies trying to get away with it.

Unions are absolutely essential in this country. To suggest otherwise is both naive and foolish.

 

Nonsense, we wouldnt even have a 40 hour working week without unions, learn a bit of history boy.

 

38 now, actually But you're right.

Nor would we have:

Annual Leave
Penalty Rates
Maternity Leave
Superannuation
Sick Leave
Redundancy
etc.

 

i get a bit sick and tired of these anti union people who are quite happy to accept the conditions and wages that unions have fought so hard for. They are little more than parasites of the workers and should go and live somewhere where the workers have none of these rights. In my opinion we should go back to the closed shop. No ticket, no start. Parasites out.

 

It's not within a unions power to stop this kind of management decision. Unless we want government to step in and subsidies/nationalise Qantas, or to put up taxes of foreign airlines, outsourcing of workers is inevitable. This is a global market, more so for airlines than almost any other industry.

Unions have a role to play, but it does not involve over-riding or blocking legal management decisions. No one has a 'right' to their job indefinitely. There is nothing technically 'wrong' with outsourcing your workforce. That's not to say they'll completely sack every Australian worker, but over time they'll get pilots from Asia, moving away from worse working conditions/pay in their own countries to come and work for Qantas. I've flown Qantas a few times, flow with Thai Airways, Singapore Airline, Emirates and some other asian/ME airlines. Qantas does not stand out as delivering a higher quality service. They do not have some amazing safety record that stands out, they do not have better planes. Yet they cost significantly more. If an Asian pilot is happy with less pay at Qantas because it's a better job than he has, why shouldn't they hire him over an Aussie? Why must Qantas keep an 'Aussie workforce'? If they are -forced- to keep a majority Australian workforce, it must be government that pays the difference.

As I heard it reported, Qantas has taken this strategy to force its case to court, where they will almost certainly win. The unions have their tactics and the management have theirs. This time management is going to win, and imo, rightly so.

Of course that's not to say that I approve of a 71% payrise for a CEO in a SINGLE YEAR. But that's the nature of these things. All the big share owners/managers/board members in this country like to scratch each others backs.

 

Um, yes they do.

 

That may be true in some jobs, but not in others. Vacation time, limited hours, healthcare and numerous other benefits existed in businesses before unions pushed them in other businesses. Unions just spread those benefits further and increased their levels.

 

Wooden shoes & false teeth were a great idea once too, you obviosuly think they still are. To those of us who live in the present, wooden shoes & false teeth aren`t such a good idea because they go rotten, and end up hurting the mouth & feet of the wearer, and causing disease and corruption.
Wooden shoes & false teeth are prone to rot and corruption, just like unions.

Throw out your rotten red wooden shoes & teeth, and buy a monocle.

 

One thing I'm 110% sure of is under a work choices agreement their pay and conditions would be nowhere near what they are on.

Good on them.

Since the price of living is going up why should their standard of living drop, Alan Joyce's standard of living only keeps getting better right why should employees be any worse off.

After all if a bus hit Alan Joyce today Qantas would run as usual no great loss in the day to day running of the company, if all its employees got sick on the same day now that would be a disaster.

 

Pay is one of the less important aspects of the negotiations. Its just used by Unions to stroke the sympathy of left leaning numpties to get them worked up and waving flags.

 

If you feel that way then you can always forfeit your pay and your conditions and start over with the work choices agreement and your boss/company.

Then come back and tell me.........??????!!!!!!!!........

 

I much prefer AWA's. Workchoices was a work in progress and they were actively adjusting it to fix its weakness to ensure it was as fair. Good new things take time especially when your creating something new and unique. The ALP just goes backwards in time because it ensures its low wage supporter base and thats it - at the cost of economic progress AND social progress because it limits growth terribly.

 

Under AWA's you have probably traded away afew of the conditions that may have been a given when you were first employed anyway thats your decision and good luck with it.

AWA's are the mining sectors creation yeah mining moguels wrote that.

At the moment the Australian mining industry pays well but that's because their is a shortage of skilled people that would like to work in this industry.

Just wait until there is an abundance of skilled people wanting to get on the mining gravy train.

It will all be down hill from there dude, you will have to do alot more forfeiting i bet.

OHhh and i dont disagree too much about your comments about the labor party.

The last couple of federal labor governments that have been in power have done more damage to our economy than good.

Put it this way if the libs didn't attack hospitals, schools and working conditions of the average australian worker ever time they get into power, i would vote for them always.

 

How long has a management lockout been "calling a bluff?

 

The Libs gave more money to the states via the GST then they had ever gotten before. The states who were being run by the ALP were responsible for the hospitals and schools with the money given by the Fed Libs. When the Libs started talking about taking over the Hospitals because the state ALP governments were stuffing everything all the unions and ALP oppossition started crying about how the Libs were trying to take over the States as a power grab. Workchoices was not ready to be released so they deserved to get a caning for that, but they were working to bring more fairness into it and they did have mechanisms in place for people to stop unfair treatment by bosses.

 

If unoins are such a wonderful representation for their members, CEO`s must be in a good union.

 

I should have written health instead of hospitals.

It is a well known fact that the libs would like to do away with medicare and put every Australian on a private health insurance scheme.

It is a well known fact that the libs give more money to private schools that dont really need this money rather than giving more money to state schools after all they are a commonwealth government are they not what the hell have they got to do with private schools?

It is a well known fact that the liberals would have us all eating out of a bowl of rice, they favour the companies too much, just look at work choices.

Thank goodness we booted Howard and his policy out, who by the way will be living very comfortably from tax payers for the rest of his life.

Now we have to get rid of Gillard and her carbon tax.

 

Thats just regurtitating ALP misdirection. The Federal government didnt fund state schools directly, because they gave the money to the states to run the state schools, but private schools were not funded under the same levels by the states so the Federal government directly provided funding. This made it easy for the ALP to claim the fed Libs payed more to the private schools, when in fact its all BS.... much like the whole ALP.

 

Joyce and co should have given notice to Qantas passengers that they were going to ground the airline.

80,000 passengers affected worldwide...holidays ruined...passengers at airports crying...others very angry...and 'brand Australia' ruined in the process.

 

If they considered they couldnt guarentee safety, which was one of the reasons given, then thats enough reason to satisfy me. Its better then killing hundreds of people because unions were screwing up maintenance etc.

 

Both big buisness and unions can be greedy. In the battle between employer and union, neither side should win.

 

More proof the ALP state governments ran our schools into the ground;

Victorian state schools left to rot

A STAGGERING $300 million is now needed to fix Victoria's decaying state schools.

More than 100,000 items - many in dangerous states of disrepair - need to be repaired or replaced at our 1594 state schools.

The situation is so dire that some school repair bills now exceed the total capital investment they received during Labor's decade in power.


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