Quebec Separatists Lose

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  1. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    Why don't we hear things like this in the American media. After all, they are out neighbors to the north and what goes on there does have, at least, a minor impact upon us here to the south.
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    It may mean little to few on here. But, if you want more, go to http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26933238
     
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  2. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    To a degree....... the reason why major events in Canada receive so little attention in the USA is because we Canadians do not bother to figure out how what is happening up here could be relevant to our neighbors to the south..... We really do a lousy job of marketing Canadian news to the American market...........

    For example.... here is something that I wrote several years ago that is highly relevant to most residents of New Orleans and to tens of thousands of people living in Florida.

    If what I am proposing were to actually come to pass....... this initiative could save the city government of New Orleans millions, if not tens of millions of dollars in the costs associated with building far higher dikes and leves..... in the event of increased cracking and sliding of ice either on Greenland or on the West Antarctic Ice Sheet.

    https://m.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=373261199364486&_mn_=10&_ft_&_rdr

    Proposal for the creation of a Quebec provincial currency unit to save coastal communities from threat of rising ocean levels.



    In my opinion it is going to cost trillions of dollars to do what needs to be done to protect towns like Truro, and Antigonish, Nova Scotia from the consequences of the cracking and sliding of a large part of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and the land based Greenland Ice Pack into the ocean.



    The province of Alberta attempted to create its own provincial currency unit during The Great Depression but enormous pressure was exerted to ensure that their experiment in monetary policy was unsuccessful.




    "Not "Funny money"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alberta_Social_Credit_Party



    The province of Quebec seems to be in much better position to create its own provincial currency unit without facing the massive backlash from the financial community and federal government that Alberta experienced.



    Dr. James Hansen has stated that the last time that global temperatures rose by three degrees ocean levels rose by 25 meters over four centuries. Canada and the world are NOT yet prepared for ocean rise of one meter every twenty years.



    Nearly one hundred million people in Bangladesh alone will become climate change refugees in the event of merely a one meter rise in ocean levels!
     
  3. Moi621

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    Viva Quebec liberte

    Newfoundland & Labrador and Nova Scotia and New Brunswick too.

    And redraw Northern Quebec to be part of Newfoundland/Labrador
    with access to the shores of Hudson Bay. :rant:

    If the central and western provinces wish to be in Ontario's pocket,
    that is up to them.

    Moi :oldman:

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  4. longknife

    longknife New Member

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    I read news from Canada every day and all is not all the sweet and light as it seems. Still a big split between English and French speaking areas.
     
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    somehow anglo - saxons have always dominated Franks-Romance people , and look like the quebecois are the born losers...don´t they understand that without the independence they finally loose everything except Canadian welfare?...
     
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    Yes... I was just reading today that the language conflict in the province of New Brunswick is also quite serious.
     
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    litwin Well-Known Member

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    Dennis, why your super developed country doesn't want to try a confederation solution?
     
  8. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I certainly like that idea...… I wonder if the residents of the Turks and Caicos Islands can come up with a plan to get us to think at a higher level........ and be less angry about the events of the last several centuries......…

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canada/451921-should-canada-adopt-turks-caicos-its-11th-province.html

    Should Canada adopt Turks and Caicos as its 11th province?
     
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    i am 100% sure that millions Canadian Belorusian and Ukrainians dont want to bribe french Canadians every year , if they want to have a special life style , make the confederation ,which give them to have not just rights, but responsibilities too . "Turks and Caicos" be careful with this , cos very next day P-sta, A-stan , Africa, and India´d like to become parts of Canada .LOL)
     
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    I am certainly no Francophile. Having served in that country, I have a less than favorable feeling about its citizens.

    Once had a French-Canadian friend who had been drafted into the US Army as he was a legal resident. We went to a Contract Bridge tournament outside Paris and how the French treated him was unbelievably crude.

    He frequently told me that the problem in Canada is the very basic differences between French and English societies. He also said it would never end unless and until it became a fully unified nation. Sadly, they now have more than the English and French sectors but have added First Peoples to further fracture them.
     
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    Too bad the Parti Quebecois was given a bad press on this, and it contributed to their defeat instead of helping in their re-election. The "Charte des Valeurs" (Charter of Values) would have placed civil laws over religious privileges, which are currently above the former thanks to Trudeau (the elder)'s own Charter of Rights and Liberties from the early 70s. Socially, Quebec has always shown the rest of the nation the way.

    The one article of the proposed law that people were divided about was the obligation for employees of the state not to wear religious signs, such as a Christian cross or a Hijab. Because of these, the PQ was attacked as a extreme-right nationalists, more close to France Front National than the progressive they really are.

    The split is regular and recurrent only if you read english papers or follow english medias. Anglos here are a priviledged, walled-in and whiny bunch, for whom there are no political matters in existance other than "the separation". They don't mix. When Quebecois go abroad in another province or in the 'states, they are actually amazed at how you guys are less grumpy and more open than the ones in Montreal's west-end "Bunker".

    He is right. We're no better nor worse than the Anglos - just different. But one thing is sure: we are North-Americans, not French. Our customs, way of life, institutions etc are undoubtely NA. We have all but cut out relations with France from the the Defeat up until the Revolution Tranquille. We grew up as two very different peoples.
     
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    Yes the CIA could funnel weapons to one side
    while the Military funnels weapons to the other

    Just like Syria. Profits for Boeing & Lockheed.
     
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    Those pressing in Quebec to succeed are out of their minds.

    They could not even afford to run an independent nation.

    And the vast majority of Canadian's are sick of hearing them B!#CH!

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    Those pressing in Quebec to succeed are out of their minds.

    They could not even afford to run an independent nation.

    And the vast majority of Canadian's are sick of hearing them B!#CH!

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    Quebec is the original Canada. There were Canadiens a solid century before there were any Canadians. We are the ones who mapped it, and before the perequation we financed it. What Canada is today, we made it at every turn. And today still, we are the one thing that differentiate Canada from the rest of the Anglosphere. If we are able to build the country next door, why would we be incapable of building ours?

    We don't care one bit about what the rest of Canada think, and it shows in our medias. This isn't about them, it's about us.
     
  16. DennisTate

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    But what about the option of a provincial currency?

    Ten USA States are discussing minting State coins and are encouraging local municipal governments to follow the example of Ithaca New York where the Ithaca Hour is so popular.

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/01/17/pf/local_currency/index.htm?iid=F_Jump

     
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    Well obviously the majority of those in Quebec do not agree.

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    And don't forget,
    Do "we" really need another self governing French speaking nation ?
    The current ones never seem that "good" at governing.
    Indeed, the French need a Napoleon or a de Gaulle to feel good about themselves.
    Just like the Russians need a Stalin or a Putin.

    Maybe like most Mexican Americans in California
    would never wish for the old country style of gov't
    the Quebecois are understanding they are better off under "Anglo" dominion.




    Moi :oldman:
    the sole Anglophil
    in a Francophil family.




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    An interesting error was made back in 1974 that costed the province of Newfoundland and Labrador an astonishing amount of money.

    Newfoundland's Premier decided to join Canada but........ if he had known that a Canadian Prime Minister within twenty five years would make an error that would rip his province off for millions and tens of millions (if not billions of dollars)..... he might have decided to make Newfoundland part of the USA.

    I go into the topic over here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...e-elliott-trudeau-save-world-environment.html

    Did P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau save the world environment?
    This is actually a quite serious question.

    P. M. Trudeau made an error back in 1974, that may well come to be understood as one of the most important mistakes ever made by a political leader.

    When P. M. Pierre Elliott Trudeau took Canada off the gold standard, (which incidentally had to be done for many valid reasons), a miscalculation was made that is the number one reason why our national debt has spiraled out of control.

    But..... there is a very good side to this because all of us know that we humans have been in a somewhat similar mentality to our ancestors who shot, boiled, barbecued, roasted and friend passenger pigeons into extinction.

    We are highly prone to OVER Consumptionism............. I addressed part of the background issues back in my 2006 provincial level campaign as an independent.

    .............

    http://www.politicalforum.com/canad...elliott-trudeau-save-world-environment-3.html

     
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    I read an article a while back that stated that the English system of law gave individuals significantly more protection from Big Government than the French legal system gave.
     
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    Sure, except neither nation respects those protections today.
     
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    We still have a high level of freedom of speech.

    The very fact that The Donald and Bernie have done so well is evidence that freedom isn't dead.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...fear-donald-might-turn-out-another-j-f-k.html
    Some powerful people fear The Donald might turn out to be another J.F.K!

    How desperate is America's elite to ensure that Americans do not elect another John F. Kennedy or Lincoln?
     
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    FREEDOMs as long as you remain within acceptable bounds.

    No Communist, for example.

    And gov'ts do have passive ways to harass an individual.

    Wake up and smell the :rose: :rose:

    Got FREEDOM?
    Less & Less!


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