question about teachers union and public schools

then give me one good reason why public sector unions should be allowed to donate to political campaigns. So far I haven’t heard one

 

Money=speech, we have free speech right?

 

Only nieces and nephews.

 

Lose it ? No. Hate it ? Yes. Citizens United was an awful decision and has bitten back in a huge way.

 

Blame unions as an institution? No, I completely understand why they support Democrats. They are in bed together. The union membership?.....not so much, and in most unions the political split is more even than you might imagine. I suspect that a Republican supporting union member must not be thrilled with their dues going toward electing Democrats however.

 

So it's the school boards who make the decision of whether to hire union or not?

Pretty sure teachers would still get paid, even if they weren't union. Perhaps the union should stick to negotiating pay, instead of trying to control how the schools are run.

They can still vote for whomever they wish, whether they choose to be in a union or not. All of these people's rights are not given to them by the union you know.

Again, they would still get paid, if that's what you mean by "funding." Funding does make it sound like they are some kind of charity case.

Sigh....and they would still be allowed to do what they want with the money they earn. But the public school system, which is the only choice many of us have, wouldn't be held hostage to the teacher's union.

Of course they do. But, belonging to a union does not mean anyone has to hire them.

Just as an aside, I am pretty sure they would still find work at some of these affluent woke private schools.

 

there are many laws on campaign financing just as there are many laws on speech.

 

Then it's incumbent upon those union members to actively participate in their unions, no?

 

Then what is your point? As you said, government pay teachers a salary, and teachers do whatever the hell they want with that salary. They can choose to give part of it to unions.... And unions are going to give it to the party that funds education. So what part of this are you against? You clarify you don't want to defund teachers... great.... You still need to tell us what part you want to eliminate. Teachers doing whatever the hell they want with their money? Unions supporting the party that supports education? Which part?

 

I fail to see why belonging to a union makes it incumbent upon their members to do anything other than pay their dues.

Regardless, what is your point?

 

Ummm, the United Supreme Court ruled that they could, and unlimitedly.

 

NONE of it is taxpayer money. It's teacher's money!

So now the answer is clear: you want to tell teachers what to do with their money! Is this part of some communist agenda you are supporting?

 

lololol and when northrup grumman or boing make a political contribution that is taxpayer money? how about israel? is foreign aid returned as political contributions taxpayer money? or aarp bribing congresscritters with contributions from social security checks?

 

That’s always confused me how people think it’s still tax payer money after a Teacher cashes that check.

 

Unions represent their members. If any member is not happy with the direction their union is heading it is incumbent upon them to change that direction by garnering support from its other members. In other words, it is a democratic process. You either participate or just accept it.

Do you understand now?

 

I meant by "funding" whatever the poster I responded to meant. They were the one who used the word. "Funding" that the government provides is for education. And, again, it's great that the government funds education. Because kids get educated.

You appear to oppose that. Democrats are very much in favor of education. And I wish Republicans were but... doesn't look like that's very popular among right wingers in this thread.

 

I understood from the beginning as far as why Unions support Democrats.

Do I now understand the point you were trying to make after you have given it more clarification? I suppose I see what you are conveying, but I do not believe that is the last word on the topic. Far from it.

The most recent data I have seen is that union members as a whole vote Democrat by something in the neighborhood of a 60-40 type margin. With that being the case, trying to rally the membership to get a majority to support leaders that would donate money to Republicans as opposed to Democrats seems like an exercise in futility. We all know that is not going to happen, but what HAS been happening is an ever growing DECLINE in union membership.

While you say it is the memberships responsibility to change it from within( which I contend would be a waste of time), no doubt many have opted to simply quit the union, not join the union in an open shop, or not support a vote to turn into a union shop in the first place. Such decisions are EQUALLY within their rights. It is like getting bad service in a restaurant. It is not incumbant upon me to improve their quality control, nor is it realistic. I simply register my vote by not returning. This is what is happening with unions and is undeniably one of the many reasons why union membership has seen such a shockingly rapid decline.

 

And what is wrong with them wanting to use their skills at a non-union private school?

It just seems to me that you are highlighting one of the main components of modern-day conservative dissonance, which is subjugating the will of the majority to that of the minority.

 

Government unions? where is the balance to counter their power? The citizen? Not hardly.. even FDR saw the problem with government unions.

 

Teachers could take the dues money that they used to pay to the union and contribute it to any political party they wanted to. Their money could still equal free speech.

And it would be interesting to see how many of them do!

 

What wouuld be the gain if teachers were forced to leave a union and the union existed no more?

I see several problems:
1. It is illegal because it is a violation of teachers right to unionize the teachers would have to vote down the Union for it to happen.
2. You would have to hire a large group of new teachers probably non certified rookies which might violate state law.
3. Your local district would have a lot of legal fees paid by the local taxpayer
4. You can't fire people except with cause being in a union is not cause
5. It violates Amendment ! of the Constitution.

 

Where have I said there is a problem with a Conservative teacher going to a private school? I have not said nor implied any such thing. In fact, a Conservative teacher should absolutely go to a private school. That would actually be precisely what I would suggest to such a person. I have no problem with that whatsoever (Think about my statement of walking out of a restaurant with bad service)

I have also said not one thing about "subjugating the will of the majority to that of the minority" or anything that could even possibly be construed as such, but it seems like you wished that I had since you are trying desperately to put those words into my mouth. It appears that you would rather argue against the voices in your head rather than what I actually say.

Sincerely, I am more than happy to defend anything that I say, but I am growing tired of arguing against your false characterizations of my positions. Lets let each other speak for our own positions rather than incorrectly paraphrasing the other persons meaning, shall we?

 

Unless you’ve taught in a classroom, it might be really hard to understand this but teachers care about their students. Unions exist to be the collective voice of every teacher to voice how they think classes should be run. Because they want to care for students. And honestly? If I didn’t have a union backing me I would be more concerned for the quality of my students education.

 

If this is true, why do you suppose that private schools reportedly get better results? Is it your contention that private schools have a lower quality of education?

 

The largest portion of my annual real estate tax goes to funding the public schools in my district and they go up significantly EVERY YEAR.