Race based punishment for students

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  1. Akula

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    Race based school discipline.

    President Barack Obama signed an executive order and is backing a controversial campaign by progressives to regulate schools’ disciplinary actions so that members of major racial and ethnic groups are penalized at equal rates, regardless of individuals’ behavior.


    Anyone have a problem with this?

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...-initiative-educational-excellence-african-am
     
  2. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no way that this would pass a 14th amendment test.
     
  3. Akula

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    It's been signed and is being applied...Who will challenge it?
     
  4. hiimjered

    hiimjered Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This really looks like the kind of thing the ACLU loves to fight. If they do, I might just have to start donating to them, especially after they backed Chick-fil-a.
     
  5. Archer0915

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    Amen!

    Hello Mr. President stop promoting liberal thinking and the neighborhoods get better and teachers may want to work in those schools. Teachers have choices about where they work and the ones in crappy schools are there because no body else would hire them.
     
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    Obama is calling for an end to selective enforcement of the rules and laws. That's just common sense.
     
  7. hiimjered

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    But the way this works, it isn't punishment based on actions, it is punishment based on race.
     
  8. Archer0915

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    Obama is fulfilling prophecy! The Handicapper general shall be appointed!
     
  9. Kranes56

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    But it's not just doing that.
     
  10. Akula

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    Really?
    We know how to read...We know what it says.
    Try again.
     
  11. Anders Hoveland

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    Well something needs to be done. The situation with Blacks in American public schools is just a complete disaster right now.
     
  12. Akula

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    Yes....exactly. They're completely out of control.
    Since certain "special interest groups" within the Dept. of Education haven't been able to close the racial gap in achievement after wasting trillions, perhaps quadrillions of dollars and man-hours in labor attempting to teach the unteachable, now the president has decided that the only way to obtain educational equality is to punish white students because negroes can't follow the same rules that white and Asians students have no problem following.




    “What this means is that whites and Asians will get suspended for things that blacks don’t get suspended for,” because school officials will try to level punishments despite groups’ different infraction rates, predicted Hans Bader, a counsel at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. Bader is a former official in the Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights, and has sued and represented school districts and colleges in civil-rights cases.

    “It is too bad that the president has chosen to set up a new bureaucracy with a focus on one particular racial group, to the exclusion of all others,” said Roger Clegg, the president of the Center for Equal Opportunity.

    “A disproportionate share of crimes are committed by African Americans, and they are disproportionately likely to misbehave in school… [because] more than 7 out of 10 African Americans (72.5 percent) are born out of wedlock… versus fewer than 3 out of 10 whites,” he said in a statement to The Daily Caller. Although ” you won’t see it mentioned in the Executive Order… there is an obvious connection between these [marriage] numbers and how each group is doing educationally, economically, criminally,” he said.

    The order created a “President’s Advisory Commission on Educational Excellence for African Americans.” It will include senior officials from several federal agencies — including the Departments of Education, Justice and Labor — which have gained increased power over state education policies since 2009.

    The progressives campaign for race-based discipline policies also won a victory in Maryland July 24.

    The state’s board of education established a policy demanding that each racial or ethnic group receive roughly proportional level of school penalties, regardless of the behavior by members of each group.

    The board’s decision requires that “the state’s 24 school systems track data to ensure that minority and special education students are not unduly affected by suspensions, expulsions and other disciplinary measures,” said a July 25 Washington Post report.
    “Disparities would have to be reduced within a year and eliminated within three years,” according to the Post.
     
  13. Clint Torres

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    Ther is no way a law can stop racism in teachers and educators. It is a good start to set some guidelines that incompetent school boards can't decide.

    Nevertheless, everyone and especially teachers have prejiduce in them and they will take it out on kids who can't stick up for themselves.
    Studies have shown that people let their bias influence their behavior and decisions even if they think they are not prejiduce.
     
  14. Anders Hoveland

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    Here's a good commentary that discusses the issue:

    [video=youtube;tYojVN-33pk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYojVN-33pk[/video]

    (just skip through the advertisement)

    I find the very notion that there is widespread racism amongst teachers just completely ridiculous. These schools are run by teacher unions. These are some of the most "liberally minded" people out there.
     
  15. fifthofnovember

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    This is just unbelievable. There is only one explanation for this: it is a deliberate attempt to destroy America. So now disruptive students will remain and be disruptive, because they're black. Therefore, everyone will suffer. Instead of teaching, teachers will spend their time trying to deal with unruly students that they can't get rid of. The unruly students will know that they can't be suspended, so their behavior will only get worse. And the white and Asian students who suffer this discrimination will quickly adopt a "(*)(*)(*)(*) the system" attitude toward their oppressors, so their behavior will suffer as well. Congratulations, you piece of (*)(*)(*)(*) Obama, this was a great blow against the country that you hate.
     
  16. Clint Torres

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    All this hoopla about some BS rules of race has the smell of a heritage foundation anti-negro fear mongering.

    Based on the classic intelligence of the 5 word responses, I guess it it.

    Fact is, the USA public school systems do what they want, and they have their special school police and subculture of laws and rules known only but to their board of education and investigative committees. So I don't think any bill passed by a federal government official will change the complex of any policy or porcedure in real life US public schools.
     
  17. Anders Hoveland

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    Less reliance on federal funding, and more state/county control is likely to make the schools more accountable to local communities and parents. If Black communities want to punish their students less in regions with mostly African Americans, they can do it... and reap any consequences that will come along with the policy. But treating students differently based on race is the very definition of racism.

    So if a Black student gets in a fight with a white student, the white student should get expelled while the Black student should just get a note sent home to his parents (who probably won't even care anyway) ?
    This type of policy of inequity could result in all sorts of unintended consequences.
     
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    By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, to restore the country to its role as the global leader in education, to strengthen the Nation by improving educational outcomes for African Americans of all ages, and to help ensure that all African Americans receive an education that properly prepares them for college, productive careers, and satisfying lives, it is hereby ordered as follows:

    Section 1. Policy. Over the course of America's history, African American men and women have strengthened our Nation, including by leading reforms, overcoming obstacles, and breaking down barriers. In the less than 60 years since the Brown v. Board of Education decision put America on a path toward equal educational opportunity, America's educational system has undergone a remarkable transformation, and many African American children who attended the substandard segregated schools of the 1950s have grown up to see their children attend integrated elementary and secondary schools, colleges, and universities.

    However, substantial obstacles to equal educational opportunity still remain in America's educational system. African Americans lack equal access to highly effective teachers and principals, safe schools, and challenging college-preparatory classes, and they disproportionately experience school discipline and referrals to special education. African American student achievement not only lags behind that of their domestic peers by an average of two grade levels, but also behind students in almost every other developed nation. Over a third of African American students do not graduate from high school on time with a regular high school diploma, and only four percent of African American high school graduates interested in college are college-ready across a range of subjects. An even greater number of African American males do not graduate with a regular high school diploma, and African American males also experience disparate rates of incarceration.

    Significantly improving the educational outcomes of African Americans will provide substantial benefits for our country by, among other things, increasing college completion rates, productivity, employment rates, and the number of African American teachers. Enhanced educational outcomes lead to more productive careers, improved economic opportunity, and greater social well-being for all Americans. Complementing the role of Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) in preparing generations of African American students for successful careers, and the work of my Administration's separate White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, this new Initiative's focus on improving all the sequential levels of education will produce a more effective educational continuum for all African American students.
     
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    I don't agree with this kind of thing, just another example of the US obsession with race but I can't see anything in the linked document that states what you're claiming. Would someone care to highlight it?
     
  20. bradm98

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    Did anyone read the linked executive order? It's a bit of a leap to assume what's stated above regarding students being "penalized at equal rates." It looks like the goal is to apply rules consistently regardless of race (which does not imply equal rates across races), and to attack the root causes that result in African American students struggling more. That said, it amazes me that we have so many federal initiatives for race-specific improvements in education. From the link above:

    Really? I would love to see what the Return on Investment is for these programs. Do they really do any good? Shouldn't the main goal be to provide a quality education to students of any/all races?
     
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    (3) To help expand educational opportunities, improve educational outcomes, and deliver a complete and competitive education for all African Americans, the Initiative shall, consistent with applicable law, promote, encourage, and undertake efforts designed to meet the following objectives:

    (iii) decreasing the disproportionate number of referrals of African American children from general education to special education by addressing the root causes of the referrals and eradicating discriminatory referrals;

    So it would seem Obama's executive order assumes African Americans are being herded into dumbed down classes because of racial discrimination on the part of the teachers. Does anyone else find this assumption ridiculous?


    African Americans lack equal access to highly effective teachers and principals, safe schools, and challenging college-preparatory classes, and they disproportionately experience school discipline...

    (vi) reducing the dropout rate of African American students and helping African American students graduate from high school prepared for college and a career, in part by promoting a positive school climate that does not rely on methods that result in disparate use of disciplinary tools, ...

    The order does not specifically advocate racial discrimination in the use of discipline, but it could be a warrant for misuse.
    Especially if school officials start being given promotions based on performance outcomes, there will be strong pressure to secretly promote racial quotas.

    That is strange. When I first read this executive order a month ago, I remember it reading: "...methods that result in disparate disciplinary outcomes ... ".
    I wonder if the white house recently changed the wording of the document.
     

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