Racial Ignorance; Willingness To Learn Both Sides Of The Story

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Zook, Oct 15, 2011.

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Have you ever visited a racist website and spent time listening to the viewpoints of

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  1. micfranklin

    micfranklin Banned

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    Now that I look back on the thread, I'm gonna have to change my "No" vote to "Yes," for the simple reason that I have in fact visited Stormfront on many occasions to listen to alternate sides of history. It just so happens that from their POV whites and Europeans have always been the victims in history, America exists solely because of them, David Duke is a hero, Jews did everything to destroy the world and the Holocaust is all a lie.
     
  2. Zook

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    Do you reckon it'd be possible to find your old thread on Stormfront and post a link to it here?

    Also, have you given them a second chance? Things have changed since "some years ago." Maybe you'd get a slightly different response today. Everybody deserves a second chance, right?
     
  3. E_Pluribus_Venom

    E_Pluribus_Venom Well-Known Member

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    No...
    This is the second chance... you give me a response.
     
  4. Zook

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    I don't speak for Stormfront. I'm not a member and they wouldn't take me if I wanted to join. I'm only 50% White. I just happen to agree strongly with what they say.

    And I don't blame you for not wanting to post your old thread here...
     
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    I don't expect you to speak for stormfront, but I didn't go there to get a stormfront perspective. I went there seeking a "self-proclaimed racist" perspective... which, as you say, you are... even proudly so. With that in mind, perhaps you can illustrate for me the cons of mixing races if the potential person of color doesn't fit a cultural stereotype.
     
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    It doesnt get any funnier.
     
  7. Zook

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    The cons? I'll give you one BIG con speaking as a mixed raced or cultured person myself. If you reproduce, the kid is liable to grow up completely confused as to his/her identity. You also open that child up to bullying from all sides.

    Producing a mixed race child is the ultimate in selfish behavior. What if that kid doesn't want to be mixed race? You'd be surprised by how many angry mixed raced people are out there.

    Also, if that person of color doesn't fit the stereotype, what about the family of said person? Finding a person of color that doesn't fit the stereotype is extremely rare and you're stuck with that family for life if you marry. Which obviously leads to all sorts of potential trouble.

    Race mixing is just a bad, bad idea on so many levels.
     
  8. micfranklin

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    So you complain about multiculturalism and race-mixing being a terrible thing and yet here you are being only half-white yourself? What's worse than a racist? A racist who also is a hypocrite at the same time.
     
  9. Zook

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    Well Stormfront would consider me mixed race. I don't really consider myself it. One of my parents is from Cyprus. I look, act and conduct myself as White. No one I know can tell I'm mixed with Cypriot blood.

    Plenty of mixed race people are against race mixing. They rarely identify fully with either race.

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  10. E_Pluribus_Venom

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    There is no confusion if there is no emphasis on racial identity... which is, in and of itself, a useless identity to hold sacred. Bullies will attack your child if he/she is frail, timid, nerdy, etc. ...is that a reason to not have children? Why don't racists also believe that procreation with extreme ectomorph body types are a horrible thing? Explain.

    Children are most likely a by-product of their surroundings, whether environmental or (more directly) their parenting structure and/or household ideals. You also provide no material to support the notion that "finding someone that doesn't fit a stereotype is rare". Once more, you're operating off of your personal experiences as if such is valid representation of a whole. A fallacy...

    Humor me... you do claim to be bi-racial, yes? Would you say you're the result of a bad idea?
     
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    Most of us are likely "mixed race" without even knowing it.

    If we judged each other as individuals instead of by ancestral geography then "racial identity" would be (for the most part) moot, and mixed race kids wouldn't have a problem.
     
  12. Zook

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    Why thank you! That's a lovely compliment. :)

    Sadly, Stormfront doesn't agree and that was my original point. It's why I wouldn't be welcome as a member.

    You understand nothing. I'm only racist to one race, blacks. And that is due to my vast experience with them. I don't hate any other race or culture.

    Perfectly reasonable.
     
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    That's too bad because whether you like it or not you're mixed, you just admitted it. You can act white all you'd like but your genetic and racial makeup will not change. Sorry.

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    Attention

    I do not want to moderate this thread, as I am actively engaged in it. Let this serve as fair warning to tone down the name calling or blatant charges of personal issues. This should be a discussion... let's see that it is a respectful one.
     
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    Then there's absolutely no reason for you to be against all forms of multiculturalism and race mixing then, since your questionable "vast experience" with blacks is all you hate.
     
  16. Zook

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    Yes, I'd rather be pure-blood.

    I'm guessing most people would.
     
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    Why? It's only skin. What about it's hue make you who you are?
     
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    Well, I just don't really agree with multi-culturalism as it completely shapes a countries identity over time. I don't hate multi-culturalism or the non-black people of it. I just strongly disagree with it being forced on CHOSEN nations.

    It's wrong. What that has to do with my hatred of blacks is beyond me. I have many views that don't involve blacks.
     
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    to accompany my point above, you also erased these portions of my responses to you, and I'd like to know if that is indication of agreeing with them, or not wanting to address them due to a rift in the thinking process:
     
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    I believe race is more than just skin color and as someone mixed from two different cultures I kind of know that it is.

    My Cypriot parent died when I was young. Since then I have grown up the White way and that's the way I see myself.
     
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    You have the mic... explain, keeping in mind that any fallacies will undoubtedly be challenged.
     
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    No, it's an indication of disagreeing with them. I don't agree with your bullying explanation and you also provided no material to back it up. It's also a matter of opinion. You have your view, I have mine.
     
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    Each race acts and conducts themselves differently with different levels of intelligence which has been proven with scientific studies.

    It's also common sense to anyone who has spent a significant amount of time around different races that they are different on many levels.
     
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    What's a "chosen" nation? And like it or not you are the product of some multiculturalism, whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

    So why is it wrong again? Our country was built and thrived directly because of it, and we're more successful because of it. And I think you and I have had enough discussions on your views of blacks to last a lifetime.
     
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    A chosen nation is a White nation and White nation ONLY. Many European countries are falling to forced multi-culturalism while African and Asian countries are not selected for such a social experiment.

    I am a product of multi-culturalism, you're right. I'd much rather be a pure blood living in either one of those cultures.

    It's wrong because it's forced and leads to nothing but negativity. It distorts a nations identity. I already explained that.


    I'll be back in about 30 minutes to an hour, I have things to do.
     

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