If you're confused about racial identities, go and take a trip over to Stormfront and they'll educate you. Furthermore, go take a trip into a black majority neighborhood for once in your life and get first hand experience. There's nothing like first hand experience. You can then come back and be qualified to enter into racial debates. If you can't define a race, you've been around your own for too long. Not that there's anything wrong in that, I'm actually jealous. It must be lovely. But it leaves you completely unable to add anything of substance to debates on racial issues. Like you see from so many of the anti-racists on this forum. Especially those from Australia.
I don't believe any forms of racism are legitimate. That said, I'm keenly aware of crime statistics. If I'm say, walking my dog at night and 3 black guys approach me, I'll be on much higher alert than if 3 white guys approach me.
I'm not. Thats the whole point. They are vague and subjective. You want to apply traits to stuff that is vague and subjective. I dont think Stormfront could educate anyone about anything. Based on what I've seen of Stormfront refugees in this forum, they can barely spell. Been there. Done that. THAT should be a familiar feeling over at Stormfront. lol
I can't think of any. Lets remember that racism is treating an individual differently (generally negatively) solely based on their (perceived) racial grouping. It's about ignoring every other aspect of a individual and treating them as an image. It's fundamentally dehumanising. Nobody has every had an experience of any "race". However you choose to define the nebulous term, each "race" covers millions of people. We all have experiences with lots of individuals. Each of those individuals could be characterised on the basis of countless features, "race" being just one of them. What was your opinion of guys at the time? We're you unfriendly towards other males as a result of the attack? I very much doubt it. You focused on a single feature of the robber and chose (probably in a great part subconsciously) to judge all other people with the same feature. So yes, you were wrong. It was an irrational reaction. High stress situations do lead to irrational reactions of course, and it's hardly fair to condemn someone unconditionally for them but our rational thoughts and decisions influence them all the same. If you weren't already in the mind set of specifically differentiating white and black people, you probably wouldn't have focused on the skin colour of your attacker. Not racism in itself but the consequences of it most certainly. There was legislation against sexual discrimination in the workplace because women were being actively discriminated against there. There were no laws making assaults against women more serious (not least because they were subconsciously treated so already). Where people are attacked and even killed solely because of the colour of their skin, there is an argument for legislation against that. It does need to be balanced and can be taken too far but I don't see any fundamental problem with the general principal. Is there anything right with it? Should your desire not to be close to people of a different "race" affect their freedom? You have every right to want to distance yourself from individuals on the basis on any irrational generalisation you care to choose but if you do, it's your job to make the movement.
Well, there's nothing wrong with that. Even Jesse Jackson said something similar. I wonder what the rest of your anti-racist posse makes of it though, hmmmm. ------------ For the record, I've never been a member of Stormfront in my life. I occasionally read it though.
Racism will exist, among all races, as long as people accept the idea of race. Racial unity and pride are seen as a positive thing by those who support diversity. Is it good in some way? I could write a book and I doubt I could still give a clear answer to that question.
But you understand, that economic, social, etc conditions have led to a situation where certain groups are more likely to commit certain types of crimes, yes? So it has nothing to do with racial determinism. PS. Visceral reactions of prejudice are natural. But as I already explained, it is how one reacts to those reactions that matters.
We can talk about it honestly now. There has been honest discussion in this thread. Are you are racial determinist? Is that why you think you can't be honest about race?
I've seen a lot of threads try. People always end up getting mad and mouthing off. Just an observation. You want to talk about race? Here ya go- I'm sick to death of seeing the local younger Blacks in my county act like scum, whores, druggies, pants-on-the-ground, playing music in their cars too loud, having kids like crazy, not getting married, cussing, selling drugs, buying expensive junk food with food stamps, breaking into local homes that dead in laws owned and vandalizing them to get the copper wiring, and so forth. I don't see White folks around here pulling that crap. Not even close. Happy now?
And what are you doing to stop that from occurring? I love when people complain about something, and do nothing to change it other than run away. *Mod Edit* for insult
I've gotten a few Black kids in my scout troop over the years it's good for them. They make friends with others not in their peer group. They learn values and self reliance. They always stay a year or so and then drop out cuz it's not "cool" enough and they get mocked by their friends about it. And me run? I've been on this forum and sparred with you many times. You should know better than to even suggest that. I've been talking to the sheriff and game warden about the break ins and illegal hunting on and near my property. My dead in laws' house got vandalized by one 17 y/o who lives up the street and his gang of thieving pals. He's been busted for stealing rolls of chain link fence at the residence opposite mine. They are involved in a number of break ins in the last few months. I found out who he by asking around with the neighbors and I've been been working with the law on the case. He's working on a criminal career and will end up in prison or dead, due to his chosen lifestyle. He shot at me on my property 2 weeks ago while hunting illegally there. Here's what happened: My son and I went over there to work on securing the old house. I shot at an old wash pan on the ground for practice on a whim. A few seconds after that I heard a shot ring out in the woods just beyond. I couldn't see who it was. 15 minutes later, his mother (who I kinda know from her living in the area and we're on good terms) showed up and said he son said I shot at him. I showed her the wash pan and the two fresh bullet holes in it. Told her if he wanted to hunt on my land, he needed to ask permission and get a written note to be legal. Thing is, she told on him. Oops. Yeah, I'm doing something about it all right. I won't put up with this (*)(*)(*)(*). When he goes to jail, it will be his own fault. He's chargeable as an adult. Next time you wanna get up in my grill, remember that you may not be on firm ground with that.
If you come to the trailerhood with me, you will also see the local younger Whites "in my county act like scum, whores, druggies, pants-on-the-ground, playing music in their cars too loud, having kids like crazy, not getting married, cussing, selling drugs, buying expensive junk food with food stamps, breaking into local homes that dead in laws owned and vandalizing them to get the copper wiring, and so forth." I am not trying to be divisive, but its a fact. Sometimes I think my eyes will pop out of my head, and I would rather not go and see it, but we can't expose ourselves to only one side or the other. Hey, I know people who make it their career helping others to get on food stamps and disability, and they are lily white.
You have never seen a white person act like scum? Never heard of it? Never seen a white hooker? Never heard of it? Never seen or heard of a white drug addict? Never seen white people listen to music loud? Never seen white people with lots of kids. You have actually never seen a white person swear(I won't say cuss). Come now, this is now just getting absurd. You have never seen white people selling drugs, or heard about the same? Never seen white people on food stamps? Never seen white people break into, rob, or vandalize? The idea that those bad things are the sole purview of black people is idiotic beyond my ability to comprehend!! Every one of those things is done by white people all the time. *Mod Edit* for insult PS. An honest discussion of race would include a discussion of what factors lead certain people to certain actions. *Mod Edit* address the issue or post; not the poster personally.
Update: We just found our this afternoon that our next door neighbors were robbed this morning while they were at church. That sucks. One of the other neighbors saw 2 Black men leaving there and they took off when the neighbor saw them. We know the make and model of the car. My neighbor's TV fell out of the trunk when they hauled ass. So far, we know of 3 vehicles involve in what looks to be a ring of thieves: A white pickup A green Honda or Nissan A gray Oldsmobile from the 1990s The sheriff said they've hit 3 homes on our road in the last 3 days. Now, we won't be able to leave the house alone indefinitely. Someone is gonna have to be here all the time. This is a real pain in the butt. The sheriffs better get these guys soon or things could get ugly.People won't stand for it. They've robbed over 20 houses in the last 2 months. I'll be talking to them on Monday to see what more I can find out. Anyone tries to rob my home while I'm here, I promise you I'll do whatever it takes to protect myself and my property. Count on it. The law says I can.
No. Sure it is. Ok, I'll wait. Yes you are wrong, but given the circumstances that is understandable. You can't "fault" her because she is thinking irrationally as a result of trauma. But objectively she is wrong. There is no legitimacy to racism. There are no biological moral traits inherent in "race". Anything else you can think of education, socioeconomic status, family structure, culture, etc, is more important than the completely inconsequential question of "race". Biologically there is a good chance that as a white American you will be closer in heritage to a Black African or an Arab, etc, etc. This has been proven, there have been thousands of studies about it. Race means nothing at all. Racism is never acceptable. Yes it is so wrong that we must legislate it. It is not philosophical, it is biological. No freedoms are being destroyed, freedoms are being protected. There is nothing wrong with an individual choosing who they want to associate with. Don't want person X around where? In your home? On the streets? At the park? In your workplace? You don't have to hire anyone, you just can't discriminate based on the colour of their skin or anything else that is completely irrelevant to their work. It is NOT ok to think of whites as individuals and then everyone else a stereotype.
It is BS to justify racism as some sort of freedom because one was robbed by a black guy and feels they should have some sort of right not to hire one because of that incident. The problem is bigger than race we must legislate from the top ways to prevent being robbed by black men by providing more welfare help to the black communities because it is our greed at the top which causes these depreciations of morals at the bottom. We are in political limbo and the US will appreciate or depreciate in terms of race depending on what morals we want our leaders to have, if republicans get their way all the blacks in prisons will become slaves again and take the jobs of illegal immigrants for menial work that is their solution. Also the middle class which are whites are having higher criminal rates so whatever we allow to happen to black americans will trickle to white americans as well so no one is protected by immoral racism.
"Rights" are not the issue here. Black owned businesses can and do hire mostly blacks. You gonna tell them who they can hire? The law cannot do that. OMG I'm speechless. Slaves??? Your statements in this post are ridiculous. Uhhhhhhhhhhh what?
