Raising the minimum wage is good for the economy.

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  1. jbander

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    Of course not to a person who's little mind is controlled by a group that only exist to put every last dime of new profit in the richest country in the world into into the hands of his controllers. By the way, that is something that has been done for the last 35 years. So it would be hard to say it wasn't true but I know you will try and the goofiness that comes out of those attempts are the reason I'm so entertained by your comments.
     
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    My solution is simple , that you should then understand. No one over 18 should get paid so little for a job that I have to come up with the extra money that is needed for him and his family to survive. There is no logical reason why my tax dollar should or could be used to increase the bottom line of a company that pays **** to their employees. Now that wasn't to complicated for you was it.
     
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    Tell you wot

    I have lived long enough to pray for you to match my years of life.

    As a worker, I worked for peanuts. But the station owner scraped by himself. I hired people myself. They had no clue what my profit margin was nor did they pay for the company costs. They had no clue what the phone bill was or the tooling bills.

    But I paid them what they were worth.

    One instance was Greg. Greg agreed to work for me and I paid him way above minimum wage. By the time he worked 3-4 days, I realized on my own I was not paying him enough. i gave him a large hike to his wages right then and made it retroactive.

    Next I had much later hired Jim. Greg I made my foreman and had him actually do my hiring. Jim shows up in the office one day acting like he was owed more money. I took out his time card on a job and showed the same job only being done by Greg. I paid Greg more but he did a lot more work. I told Jim in truth, jim owned me money since he cost me more than Greg did.

    Message to pipsqueaks. We shop owners busted our butts just buying tools. We had to come up with rent money, first last and security to open the shop. We had to pay you and your taxes even when out customers did not pay on time. You came in Monday and on Friday took home your pay. We would get paid 30 days later. To get paid early, we had to discount our charges to the customer while you suffered no such discounts. If the customer refused payment, we still had you to pay.

    Do I feel I owe you more? Gee pal, my own family deserved some of the earnings, don't you think?
     
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    If you tariff foreign goods, foreigners will tariff your goods in return. This is not silliness, it is the way of things.

    Trade is not a one way street. If you won't import, no need to export. You can't accept payment in return for your goods.
    Isolationism. A country your size can do it, but given the awesome trade routes it has access to you may prefer to be a global trading country instead. If you are the no.2 exporter in the world I suggest to you that importing goods is very important to this relationship indeed.

    For a great many American companies, losing it's American market would be the death of it. But for global companies operating in America, that would very much depend on the company.
     
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  5. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am dealing with an ideologue. Never have you had to meet a payroll.
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Look, he is not going to jail if he won't work for that company. Tell him to seek a job elsewhere.
     
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    Because Democrats can't block squat in the House where only a simple majority is needed to do anything and in case you missed it republicans have a majority in the house. Current Senate rules require 60 percent.
     
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    Then don't.
     
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    Neumark and Wascher (2007) concluded that nearly two-thirds of the more than 100 newer minimum wage studies, and 85% of the most convincing ones, found consistent evidence of job loss effects on low-skilled workers.

    While you might think that a 24.5% unemployment rate for Blacks 16-17 years of age and a 22.8% unemployment rate for Blacks 18-19 years of age is acceptable, I don't.
     
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    Links please...to ALL of that
     
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    CK found the opposite

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w6386
     
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    Another case of researchers with an agenda using incomplete data sets to make their point. Unfortunately, some people then latch on like bulldogs and won't let go despite being shown the errors in the singular study that they found that seems to refute the majority consensus.
    We see it here where people find a "study" that purports to support the position that jobs are lost to increases in minimum wages and they ignore the multitude of evidence that says jobs not only are not lost but they increase.
    It's very much like the people ignoring the vast majority of studies on climate change because they found one that disagrees and often disagrees with the caveat that it is inconclusive. Or that right to work is anything other than right to work for less.
    This seems to me to be self destructive at best and conspiratorial at the worst.
     
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    I have zero clue what your point is, if we had to judge all situation by just one person and their business we wouldn't have fricken clue. There should be no wage in this country, other then one that can support a person working full time, Why in the hell do you think I have to pay for your worker with my tax dollars to boost your bottom line. Your just like all the leaches that think since they are a businessman that they deserve something, like they are some kind of nobility and use the work of some others at a rate that is less then pitiful to a point that other people in this country have to help your bottom line with our tax dollars.
    If you can't make it as a business man without ****ing over your fellow man, then you don't belong in business. By the way I've owned my own business for the last 45 years and I didn't need to rape anyone to stay in business.
     
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    If you won't accept real examples, to back up a theory, you cannot tell if it is a correct theory or not.

    An example is not on it's own, able to prove a theory.
    It is however on it's own, able to disprove one.
    It's so much easier to find the fault, than it is to create something faultless after all.

    Pretty much none of your hypothesis is backed up by any experience. Everyone who disagree's with you on the other hand has backed it up by practical example.
    To whit, you simply don't now what you are talking about. You are theorising about a subject of which you have no experience.

    It is ideology and not knowledge.
    Intelligent, but not wise.

    Wisdom > intellect.
    Knowledge > theory.
    Experience > imagination.
     
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    I've owned my own business for 45 years. Without paying slave wages.
     
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    This country would only have to do it once to a major company and the rest would become "buy American" from then on. So that makes no tariff , being only one company. Even it more then one company left it would be minimal. Point in fact we have thousands of Tariff now. Doesn't seem to be a problem does it.
     
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    Personally I like to pay all my slaves!
     
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    And the same is true of every other country you trade with. They only have to do it once per major company too.

    The fundamental economic relationship remains the same.
    Trade.
    An exchange of goods and services.

    If you export but do not import in return, you aren't trading you are just giving your goods away for free.
    Imports are a requirement for exports. One without the other makes no sense.

    What ever clever way you come up with to tariff/embargo other countries, they can reciprocate. They will reciprocate. They do reciprocate.
     
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    Kind of sounds like your a bad loser. You have this ignorant idea that you know what the truth is , that only you and the people who believe the way you do, are the only ones that have all the answers but in reality I have to admit that it is your problem not really mine.
    There is only one point that counts , that is whether your right or wrong and I believe your wrong and are taking this position to justify slave wages to bolster your bottom line. That makes you wrong automatically. Live with it. People like you are the real leaches in our society.
     
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    Our thousands of Tariffs don't seem to be a problem do they? Like I said you would only have to hang out one major leach company and you wouldn't have to do another, the rest would fall into line, and the signs in front of their company's would read "Buy American".
    Tell me what company can leave this country and lose this market. Your simply wrong. They are Un- American leach company's anyway, we would be losing nothing. By the way we wouldn't be using tariff's on another country we would only be Hang out the Un American leach company. If you support these leach company’s over your country we don't need you either. All you clowns that are Capitalist first and Americans second need consequences. I have a handful of them right now.
    By the way there is no correlation between our country and our main trading partners. We have a low Tariff average , but China, for example, has a higher Tariff rate, as does Mexico. Canada and Japan have the same rate.
     
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    Made to believe, I honestly don't believe they've made it up themselves.
     
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    Can we start with Trump inc and MAGA?
     
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    Well, I never paid as low as minimum wage either.
     
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    It's ironic that slave owners provided health care for their slaves because they realized that sick slaves can't produce as well. Since buying new slaves was expensive they had to protect their investment.
    Back then slave wages were food shelter and health care. Today slave wages means food or shelter and no health care. Obviously this is not an endorsement of slavery but it is an indictment of modern employers that view the worth of employees as being less than slaves.
     

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