Recent Gaza conflict; who started the bombing, Hamas or Israel?

Wanna know who really started the bombing first during this last conflict? Do you really ?

http://www.vox.com/2014/7/1/5860718/israel-gaza-three-boys

Israel has a right to defend itself, so does gaza.

Israel; dont want to be bombed? Then dont start the bombing.

 

From your source:

Yup, self defense. Murder Israelis and you'll bring down the wrath of Israel on you.

 

Thanks for the reminder. It is easy to forget when the spin gets going.

 

Yup, you dont even deny you started the bombing.

Start the bombing, feel the Gazans wrath of the deadly devastating rocket attacks laying waste to Israeli towns and cities..

 

Not very deadly or devastating. They just awakened the giant who kicked the snot out of Hamas.

 

Wrong, extremely deadly, thats why Israelis are so concerned to devastate Gaza and tell the world about their right to defend themselves however they please - clearly the rockets are extremely deadly.

Get your story straight Hasbara, call your handlers again, Israel is either a giant or a tiny little country in the middle east.

 

Alright, I'll agree that the rockets themselves are deadly. It's just that Hamas can't hit sh*t with them

First off, call me a liar again and you'll be looking for another forum.

Israel is a small country in the middle east that is a giant power.

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I didn't start the bombing. I live in Wisconsin. It'd be a bit difficult for Hamas to drop a rocket in my backyard.

 

Oh really ? Why not?

LOL, Im prepared to accept warnings from the mods and play along with the rules - so I take back the term 'liar'. Thats not fair to you.
By the way, do you own this forum website?

Of course you didnt, instead youre a fully paid up member of the Hasbara 'Israel can do whatever it wants to whomever it wants club'.

 

I'm willing to bet that there are people in Gaza that are not directly under Hamas control that just want to fire rockets, if they can get hold of some, anyway.
I'm not sure Hamas has any control over a lot of people that are "armed".

 

Because the rockets are unguided and Hamas members are ignorant jihadists.

Thank you. And no, I don't own this website. I simply believe that debate is enhanced by civility.

The only "clubs" that I belong to are the Marquette University Alumni Association and Doctors Without Borders.

 

Ummmm I think you are ignoring the fact that Hamas had fired more than 200 rockets on Israel between January and June of just this year. It is ignorant posts like this that make me question just what the hell people are reading.

 

LOL. And the seige and airstrikes have never stopped.

Here's a few other things that happened;

- April 23rd, Abbas announces a unity government with Hamas
-The US freezes paychecks for Gazan public workers and Israel cuts off payments to Hamas for tax receipts
-In May Israel cuts in half the fishing limit for Gazan fisherman, essentially cutting off their food supply.
-Israel announces 3,300 new housing starts for illegal settlement building in the West Bank

Dont go any further, you might harm yourself by reading further into the situation. But one more thing, its important to understand that Hamas and Fatah intend to enter into a unity government that recognises Israel, not that Hamas itself will, but it will not oppose the unity government doing so.

This is a positive step forward that Israel has been keen to scupper it has a long history of doing because continuing conflict provides a pre-text for continued armament funding and settlements funding, thus ensuring the continued stability of its right wing coalition.

 

Unguided ? Are you saying they cant target civilians?

What are they ignorant of?

The rest of your post is erudite and well put. But why do you have an IDF avatar? Does that unit you advertise participate in defending the settlement of occupied territory?

 

This post of yours will crumble into dust by the following information...


Exclusive: Hamas rocket launch pad revealed near Gaza homes

http://youtu.be/uE3feo_b8Cg

 

Epic fail.

There are no non- civilian areas in gaza. Israel started it and Gaza has a right to defend itself my Hasbara friend.

 

Usual Hamasbara hyperbol, rocket attacks never stopped, targeting civilians as your leaders do is not fighting, particularly when they hide behind children and the Palestinians started it when they declared war in 1948 and, to this very day state Israeli civilians are targets.

 

Dang, it's hard to be non biased when you read those comments on the videos.

Many people are trying to say the video is fake...... I mean come on Pali's

 

In regards 1, of course there are. If Hamas went out in the open it would be flattened. Your assertion is blatantly false. All one has to do is look at the map to see why Hamas hides in civilian areas.


In regards to 2, do you stick your tongue out when you say that? It shows the level of discourse you are at.


In regards to 3, Hamas does not defend its civilians and never has. If its true intent is to defend its citizens, it would never risk a life. It wouldn't use their hospitals, schools, mosques, homes as launching sites, ammunition dumps and operations headquarters.

If its intent was to defend its civilians it would never fire a rocket knowing the risk it would cause. It would instead choose to sit at a table and negotiate.

The very fact Hamas chooses violence has condemned all the Palestinian people to their deaths and until Hamas is removed they are all walking dead.

Now let's put your Israel "started it" thread to try incite yet some more Israel hatred to rest.

The intent of Hamas to kill its people in a religious war is blatant:

Here is Article 8 of the Hamas Charter:
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“Allah is the purpose [of the organization], Mohammed is our role model, the Koran is our constitution, Holy Way is our war, and dying for the sake of Allah is his supreme desire”

Article 7

"the Hamas has been looking forward to implement Allah’s promise whatever time it might take. The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said:The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim)."

Article 12

"Hamas in Palestine, Its Views on Homeland and Nationalism

Hamas regards Nationalism (Wataniyya) as part and parcel of the religious faith. Nothing is loftier or deeper in Nationalism than waging Jihad against the enemy and confronting him when he sets foot on the land of the Muslims. And this becomes an individual duty binding on every Muslim man and woman; a woman must go out and fight the enemy even without her husband’s authorization, and a slave without his masters’ permission. This [principle] does not exist under any other regime, and it is a truth not to be questioned. While other nationalisms consist of material, human and territorial considerations, the nationality of Hamas also carries, in addition to all those, the all important divine factors which lend to it its spirit and life; so much so that it connects with the origin of the spirit and the source of life and raises in the skies of the Homeland the Banner of the Lord, thus inexorably connecting earth with Heaven. When Moses came and threw his baton, sorcery and sorcerers became futile."

Article 13

"Peaceful Solutions, [Peace] Initiatives and International Conferences

[Peace] initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement.

... Sura 2 (the Cow), verse 120 There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. The initiatives, proposals and International Conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility. "

Article 15
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“Dwelling one day in the Path of Allah is better than the entire world and everything that exists in it. The place of the whip of one among you in Paradise is better than the entire world and everything that exists in it. [God’s] worshiper’s going and coming in the Path of Allah is better than the entire world and everything that exists in it.” (Told by Bukhari, Muslim Tirmidhi and Ibn Maja) I swear by that who holds in His Hands the Soul of Muhammad! I indeed wish to go to war for the sake of Allah! I will assault and kill, assault and kill, assault and kill (told by Bukhari and Muslim). "

Article Twenty-Two: The Powers which Support the Enemy

"The enemies have been scheming for a long time, and they have consolidated their schemes, in order to achieve what they have achieved.

...They also used the money to establish clandestine organizations which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests. Such organizations are: the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, Lions Clubs, B’nai B’rith and the like. All of them are destructive spying organizations. "

Article Thirty-Three

"The Hamas sets out from these general concepts which are consistent and in accordance with the rules of the universe, and gushes forth in the river of Fate in its confrontation and Jihad waging against the enemies, in defense of the Muslim human being, of Islamic Civilization and of the Islamic Holy Places, primarily the Blessed Aqsa Mosque. ..

until the Decree of Allah is fulfilled, the ranks are over-swollen, Jihad fighters join other Jihad fighters, and all this accumulation sets out from everywhere in the Islamic world, obeying the call of duty, and intoning “Come on, join Jihad!” This call will tear apart the clouds in the skies and it will continue to ring until liberation is completed, the invaders are vanquished and Allah’s victory sets in. “Verily Allah helps one who helps Him. Lo! Allah is strong, Almighty.” Sura XXII (Pilgrimage), verse 40."

So go on Creation go spin the above away as simple defensive positions.


Right.

The very Charter calls for a pro-active war.

 

1 - Feel free to assign these areas where Hamas should fight in your opinion. Then specify in what manner they should fight.

2 - Grow up, Israelis constantly defend their actions on the basis that the war was forced on them not by them.

3 - Rubbish; If Israels true intent was to defend its citizens it would settle any occupied territory, yet it has.

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All rubbish, dealt with before.

 

Part of the issue, that is to say, that part that makes it impossible for Israel to look at Gaza as anything other than a threat, is the fact that Hamas IS in fact part of the governing body.

That should never have been allowed to happen. Hamas must be eradicated for the innocent in Gaza, who deserve to live in peace and prosperity free of Israeli control and interference, to achieve that status.

 

Thats impossible without re-occupation. Gazans voted for Hamas.

Better instead to agree to let the PA and Hamas form a unity government that recognises Israel.

 

If any of my family were killed or injured by a rocket I would want revenge.... and I'm a pacifist. I wonder what percentage of Gazans now want revenge..

 

I disagree about re-occupation being necessary.

The non-Hamas portion of Gaza must...and I do mean must...come to realize that so long as Hamas and it's political aims are part of their government, there will NEVER be a real peace or what I would like to see which is a mutually beneficial partnership, with Israel. Never.

Israel will NEVER...not in 1000 years...trust Hamas and will thusly never consider lifting the blockade...allowing free and unregulated travel between Gaza and the West Bank...or forcing those Israeli citizens who have illegally settled there to remove themselves.

Right now there is no reason for Israel to actively seek better relations with those peaceful and innocent Gazans behind and among whom Hamas carries out their attacks upon Israel. The truth is, there is nothing Israel could do to alleviate the suffering in Gaza and the West Bank that Hamas would interpret as anything other than weakness and resume their activities.

You want peace in this region? Ally the Non-Hamas population of Gaza and the West Bank with the IDF and root Hamas out on the condition that in exchange for this partnership Israel will allow free trade again.

 

impossible. Hamas has plenty of support. Just like Isrealis support Likud.

 

Do not (*)(*)(*)(*)ing kidnap and kill Israeli boys, and you will not incur the wrath of IDF. Simple, really.

Quit whining, too.