Recent Gaza conflict; who started the bombing, Hamas or Israel?

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  1. USSR

    USSR New Member

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    Um ,who started the process ,lets Look at Jewish Nationalists and their defenders in the United Nations from day one .

    Winston Churchill =British imperialism

    Franklin Roosevelt =US Imperialism

    Oh and lest not forget ,JOSPEH STALIN = Counter-Revolution in the USSR!

    Who created the United Nations in the Conference at Yalta .

    Jewish RELIGIOUS NUT JOB NATIONALISM ,is the Problem ,Backed by Wall Street ,Made in the USA =Israel.
     
  2. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Of course you want Gaza, Bo.
    Your g-d gave you that part too.
    Try to manufacture some hasbara "proving" Hamas responsible for anything except forming a unity government which immediately revealed Israel's fake peace process. All the land between the River and the sea with as few non-Jews living on it as possible; some things never change in the Zionist universe.
     
  3. Borat

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    Hamas is responsible for its charter, calling for the annihilation of Israel and extermination of Jews, Hamas is responsible for illegal tunnels, Hamas is responsible for the murder of 3 Israeli teenagers, Hamas is responsible for thousands of rocket attacks each one of which is a war crime, rocket launchers in school yards, ammunition caches in mosques - all war crimes, you know.....

    As far as Gaza is concerned, I don't see how removing every single settler and every single soldier from Gaza and handing over settlements, property, tools, equipments constitutes Israel "wanting" Gaza but I am sure you can explain....(hopefully beyond posting for the 100th time a meaningless statement by someone who represents neither the views of the Israeli government, nor the public)


    See George, you can't defend indefensible, Hamas is a fundamentalist terrorist gang of thugs and you are their cheerleader. Good job George!
     
  4. trout mask replica

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    Actually, there is no evidence that Hamas were responsible for the death of those children. But on the other hand, there is evidence that the Israeli's killed two Palestinian's back in May. No media outcry then like there was when the three Israeli's died. Why do you suppose that might be? I reckon you hadn't even heard about that particular incident. Now why do you suppose the media didn't suggest the killing of the two Palestinian's triggered the latest cycle of violence but the deaths of the Israeli's did? Just a thought for you to ponder over. The only media outlet that I'm aware of that covered the story of the killing of the two Palestinian's was FAIR, who commented:

    "But even before the kidnapping of three Israeli-Jewish teenagers and killing of the Palestinian teenager last week, two Palestinians were killed back in May and didn't trigger the kind of international outcry and international outrage that the killing of the three Israeli teens have."

    http://www.fair.org/blog/2014/07/10/when-does-the-cycle-of-violence-start/

    But not only do the Israeli's target children such as, for instance, children playing football on a beach, they torture them and use them as human shields:

    "A United Nations human rights body accused Israeli forces on Thursday of mistreating Palestinian children, including by torturing those in custody and using others as human shields."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/20/us-palestinian-israel-children-idUSBRE95J0FR20130620
     
  5. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Israel has simply rehashed it's original claim that Hamas was responsible while adding that they intended murder all along. The suspects are the same people as they always were

    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...an-hebron-hamas-leadership-mahmoud-abbas.html

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.609846

    Hence what Israeli police/army said is true. The people who kidnapped these teens are a rogue lone cell with no link to Hamas's chain of command.

    Now only people who believe in saying black is white would be writing that Hamas ordered these teens to be kidnapped and then murdered and buried.
     
  6. georgephillip

    georgephillip Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Hamas is resisting the Zionist goal of colonizing Palestine, Bo.
    All your PR and propaganda to the contrary, you can't dispute the Likud Charter and its call to rule all the land between the River and the sea by Jews:


    "Since virtually every comment on Hamas in American media includes the assertion that the group’s Charter rejects Israel’s right to exist, it’s worth noting the following from the Likud Platform of 1999:

    a. “The Jordan river will be the permanent eastern border of the State of Israel.”
    b. “Jerusalem is the eternal, united capital of the State of Israel and only of Israel.
    The government will flatly reject Palestinian proposals to divide Jerusalem”
    c. “The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river.”
    d. “The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."

    When will your people stop being so greedy?

    http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html
     
  7. Borat

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    Yawn, as before when completely outdone, you resort to trolling which repeating the same identical post over and over again is. I don't really blame you, it must be hard for Hamas supporters like you to come up with half decent argument but it really demonstrates how indefensible your views are. No amount of quoting islamofascist sources like Iranian news or Juan Cole will help you, in fact such sources demonstrate the lunacy and extremism of someone like you who take them seriously.
     
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    There's a phrase.

    It's called that's the straw that broke the camel's back.

    people are just looking at the straw and blaming the camel for not being strong enough to not whine about the heavy burden it's upholding.
     
  9. vinceli

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    Arent they done killing each other yet?
     
  10. creation

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    The sig is intended to denigrate Islamic ties to Jerusalem, given that Jerusalem was the original direction of prayer for muslims and they actually built the dome of the rock the muslim connection is clear and attempts to belittle it are mere bigotry.
     
  11. creation

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    Define fight. Utter nonsense.

    Yes, hes called a Hamas PR spokesman. Hasbara are a different kind of thing, more like activists for the Israeli governement line. Why cant you just keep it at that?

    About six months during the last genuine ceasefire.

    Because Israel is replete with military and civilian targets, it has government buildings and IDF personnel and reservists in all its cities as well as civilian targets.

    Palestinians were only defending themselves and their land. And Israel declaring war on Palestine is a historical fact. Thats what zionism was all about.

    LOL. Rockets from living rooms? Houses destroyed in an hour? Candy from babies?

    False premises abound here. Give me something real and verifiable to address. Your muslim hating pal Dutch has already tried to deceive the forum more than once.
     
  12. creation

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    LOL, another bigot proven wrong by simple facts. Israelis started the recent bombardments.
     
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    The sig is a mere statement of facts. Was it not, you'd be the first to say so. Everything else is your overworked imagination. It's Friday night, go have a pint, lad :)
     
  15. creation

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    Didnt even read it did you?

    Instead of spending your time reading forums and fox, try other historical research.
     
  16. creation

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    What do the stated facts imply? That Jerusalem is not muslim but is Jewish & Christian despite the amount of muslims living there?

    What are you doing here Dutch? Its Friday after all, dont you take a break from muslim bashing?
     
  17. Rickity Plumber

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    THIS is the most insane thing I have read in a long time.
    "Israel; dont want to be bombed? Then dont start the bombing".


    It would be more realistic if it would have said, "Gaza, don't want to be bombed? Then quit lobbing rockets in our direction".
     
  18. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Bingo! You see the light! Have another pint! :)
     
  19. alexa

    alexa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you are supporting the massacres of the Palestinians for Religious reasons?

    Palestinian Christians have no time for Christian Zionists

    http://www.sabeel.org/ourstory.php

    They wish they could remember their own.

    But hey here is another person in it for God

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-commander-calls-on-troops-to-fight-blasphemous-gazans/

    and some of the things he is believed to have done in G-d's name

    http://www.richardsilverstein.com/2014/08/14/idf-col-ofer-winter-butcher-of-khuzaa/
     
  20. Dutch

    Dutch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry Alexa, I've no patience for nonsense this fine Friday night.... Back sometime tomorrow.
     
  21. creation

    creation New Member

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    Why are you going to back? What does it do for you or anyone?

    - - - Updated - - -

    Would you like me to describe why Jerusalem is Muslim?
     
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    If you'd read the evidence I gave you and knew that Gaza was responding to Isreali attacks you wouldn't say that. So what do you want? Do you want to dispute the facts as I've given them?
     
  23. alexa

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    It isn't nonsense Dutch. It is the very depth of the problem. It is why it has been able to continue as it has. Without the support both politically and financially by Christian Zionists Israel would almost certainly have come to a just resolve with the Palestinians out of necessity if nothing else. Now Israel herself finds the extremists religious with a very strong position in her parliament despite numbers and strongly influencing the public and policy. During and after Cast Lead we heard from ordinary Israeli soldiers about how crude religion was being fed to the soldiers not to treat the Palestinians as per the rules of war. I gave you an example of one this time on a Col involved in a Holy War who is believed to have committed war crimes fighting for G-d - just like Christian Zionist wanted Jews in Israel from when the bible arrived in England in written form for the masses to read due to their misconceptions of what it wrote and antisemitism and how Israel's win in 67 sent them fanatic that their interpretation of the bible was coming to fruition resulting in them doing everything they could to make it so.

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2014/07/israeli-commander-declares-holy-war-on-palestinians/
     
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    Where does the 3 dead Israeli teens fit into your equation?
     
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    anyone who says that Hamas only started firing rockets into Israel AFTER the recent bombings in Gaza is either lying to you or so mind-numbingly ignorant of reality they should be institutionalized.
     

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