recent US foreign policy

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  1. Albert Di Salvo

    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Oh btw, faithful muslims can never be progressives because they are misogynists and homophobes. It's a religous and cultural thing with them.
     
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    moon Well-Known Member

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    No. Did you want one ?
     
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    Nonsense.. Obama's kill count of innocents is incredibly higher than Assad could ever dream of. Assad is not even as close to as evil, or terrorist supporting as Obama.
     
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    Obama is right now trying to help Islamic fundamentalist terrorists to take over Syria to have as their own safe haven, along with its WMD's.. You know that right?
     
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    The US are overthrowing secular governments in the Middle East so that Islamic fundamentalists can take over.. Did you not notice this?
     
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    How have they been doing in standing up for the women and children being tortured and killed by the "free Syrian army"?
     
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    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    If you are not actually involved in politics, beyond mere forum fandom and media browsing, than it's likely you don't have a complete picture of the political, economic, military, and/or social situation and you are speaking from ignorance. If that's the case, you, me, and everyone else is pretty dumb. I don't imagine congress inviting you to any meetings any time soon for your keen insight.
     
  8. WanRen

    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    The USA are doing much much better than the Arab League members, better than Russia and China and most of all much better than Iran and Pakistan.
     
  9. budini

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    to upsidedown ::::::::::::
    what you said to serfin is just about true for all of us. but this is how we practice our freedom of speech, this is how we go to the agora or the forum or the village square.

    vlad

     
  10. budini

    budini Banned

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    to wanren ::::::::::::

    you could add that the USA is the only world power which uses alqueda as a mercenary to such odd jobs as over throw ghaddafi.

    ?? is he really dead or was that one of his doubles ??
    check out various historic times of troubles, you can find several times when such as ghaddafi return from the dead by using a double. it could happen in lybia.

    vlad


     
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    budini Banned

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    to serfin ::::::::::::
    pravda is a very reliable media source in more ways than one; it is the best as a source of current russian opinion, it is one of the few contra BIG USA media sources, it is constant proof that the cold war is over, but many westerners such as you have not yet understood that fact.

    vlad

     
  12. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    People don't generally get invited to meetings with Congressmen unless they have a lot of money or are in a position of authority (or scholarship).

    Either way, it doesn't matter. They aren't working for you or me. They're working for the elite.
     
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    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    The Cold War is over to the extent that Russia is now run by industrial oligarchs. Once a bastion of state communism, now, Russia is like a more cronyist capitalist version of America.

    Either way, Pravda and Russia Today are nowhere near as reliable as the BBC, the Guardian, and Al Jazeera.
     
  14. Albert Di Salvo

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    Don't call people on this forum fascists or you will be sanctioned by the moderators.
     
  15. budini

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    Russia builds strong defense against foreign interference

    21.12.2012

    The State Duma on Wednesday endorsed strong amendments to the "Law of Dima Yakovlev". In addition to the ban on adoptions of Russian children by American families that evoked strong emotions, more significant amendments were adopted, including suspension of the activities of "political" NGOs receiving funds from U.S. citizens. In addition, the deputies voted to ban Russian citizens who have citizenship of the United States to head non-profit organizations.

    The amendment adopted in the second reading, in particular, provides that the Ministry of Justice should suspend the operations of NGOs that "participate in political activities in Russia and get free cash and other property from citizens (organizations) in the United States or implement projects, programs or other activities that threaten the interests of Russia on the Russian territory."

    Members of Parliament also adopted an amendment prohibiting citizens of Russia who have U.S. citizenship from being members or leaders of non-profit organizations involved in political activities and structures. This prohibition also applies to international branches of foreign NGOs. A violation of this amendment would be punished by arrest of assets, Interfax reported. The approved version of the bill also includes a ban on entry to Russia of foreign citizens involved in imposition of sanctions against the Russians in their countries. Initially, the intention was to impose such sanctions only against Americans.

    The majority of the members of parliament voted for the enhancement of the "law of Dima Yakovlev," with the exception of a few deputies. Before the vote presidential press secretary Dmitry Peskov said that "based on the known manifestations of anti-Russian attitudes, Russian President Vladimir Putin was sympathetic to the position taken by Russian lawmakers."

    Meanwhile, many observers failed to see the essence behind the fights over the ban on adoptions of Russian children by U.S. citizens,. "They failed to see the forest for the trees," said the director of the Center for Political Information Alexei Mukhin. "The emotional debate about the fate of children made them miss the main point - the Russian government is building a line of defense from the influence of external elements and does it quite effectively, step by step," said the expert.

    "I believe that, in fact, this voluntary or involuntary ploy has worked. People who were discussing the fate of the children foaming at the mouths did not see the main point. The authorities won this round: protests drew public attention not to its main content part, but the part that really aroused strong emotions, but in fact, is not principle for the authorities," said the analyst in an interview with Pravda.ru.

    "I think that the Federation Council or the President may kill two birds with one stone by somewhat softening the amendment. On the one hand, social unrest would subside, and on the other, they would win in terms of their image," said Alexei Mukhin.

    In turn, speaking of the amendments adopted today that suspend the activities of NGOs in politics funded by American grants, human rights activist Alexander Brod acknowledged that such activity was not encouraged by any country. "The political activities of NGOs funded from abroad is an intrusion into the internal affairs of a sovereign state and are unacceptable, and I think the U.S. would not be too thrilled if, for example, citizens of the Russian Federation would be present in social structures and advise the United States on how to live," said in an interview with Pravda.Ru human rights activist Alexander Brod.

    Even the international observers from the OSCE were turned away during the election in the U.S. when they were not allowed to the polls in the state of Texas, reminded the member of the Human Rights Council under the President of the Russian Federation. "So everything is clear: there is a desire to protect from invasion in political life," said Alexander Brod.

    However, the human rights activist is against the introduction of any "black lists." "Who would they include in the "Magnitsky list?" It may be a purely subjective judgment," said the defender. "This is not a court judgment, so there may be a variety of interpretations whether a person violated human rights or not. Who will be the ultimate decision maker if MPs are not immune to subjectivity in these matters? ".

    The emotional battles over the amendment introducing a ban on the adoption of Russian children by U.S. citizens overshadowed quite a remarkable incident indicating that the Russian authorities are really building a line of defense.

    For example, last Wednesday, Rear Admiral of the U.S. Navy Jeffrey Harbison was denied entry to the Russian Federation "due to violations of human rights." Head of the Duma Committee on Foreign Affairs Alexei Pushkov said that the former director of the military prison at Guantanamo Bay, who transferred to the Pentagon, planned to visit Russia but was unable to do so. He was denied a Russian visa as was "black listed" by the Russian Foreign Ministry.

    In principle, this dispels the myth that the Americans allegedly do not come to Russia. Incidentally, Mr. Harbison is said to have not only the "official interest" in Russia but also a company that invests in high-yielding Russian corporations. Apparently, the Russian Foreign Ministry, without further ado, and even before the notorious "Law of Dima Yakovlev," has been trying to somehow respond adequately to the discriminatory law passed in the U.S. These "bans" against U.S. officials - no matter whether they are Guantanamo leaders, organizers of "color revolutions" or participants of "Occupy Wall Street" rallies - could become everyday practice. This measure, in any case, would be much more effective than the ban on adoptions of Russian children by the United States citizens that, obviously, is mistakenly seen by many MPs as an "adequate response" to the "Magnitsky list".

    Alexander Petrov

    Pravda.Ru
     
  16. upside-down cake

    upside-down cake Well-Known Member

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    All a bunch of crap. What I mean to say is, Russia will still receive unavoidable influence through US economic controls and Diplomacy. It sounds like another grand political patriotic gesture with little substantial merit.
     
  17. budini

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    to upsidedown ::::::::::::::

    ????????? did you at least read the title, and did you think about the meaning of the title ???????????

    "Russia builds strong defense against foreign interference"

    russia has been plagued with foreign interference for hundreds of years.

    vlad
     
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    dear mr. di salvo :::::

    have you noticed that you are allowed to say whatever you may want about muslims; while i am not allowed to define what is a fascist. perhaps you are not a fascist. but how may we ever even know what is a fascist if we are not allowed to say whatever we may want; as you do about muslims.

    vladimr budney

     
  19. Serfin' USA

    Serfin' USA Well-Known Member

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    They've also interfered for about the same amount of time.

    They still meddle with former Soviet Republics even today.
     
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    the validity of pravda has been questioned; therefore, here is something which only pravda and china ever mentions.

    China writes off Russia's debt

    29.12.2012 |

    Source: Pravda.Ru

    The Chinese administration has decided to write off Russia's debt of 1.57 million Swiss francs (about 52.5 million rubles), Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin tweeted.

    It turned out that the debt under the agreement from July 1, 2005 was repaid through deliveries of Russian goods and services under the contract with the Budker Institute in October 2008. China's State Council Vice Premier Wang Qishan confirmed that he had signed the document to write off the debt.

    Now the Russian Ministry of Finance can easily prepare for the financing of previously concluded contracts between the two countries. First and foremost, it goes about the contract between JSC Russian Helicopters and a Chinese company to supply 20 helicopters to China with a total value of more than 10 billion rubles.

    It is worthy of note that In early December, the U.S. Senate prohibited the Pentagon from maintaining commercial contacts with Rosoboronexport, Russia's largest importer of arms. Until recently, the U.S. was negotiating the purchase of 21 Mi-17 helicopters for their use in Afghanistan. The deal was estimated at 375 million dollars.

    vlad
     
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    WanRen New Member Past Donor

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    There is no secular government in Muslim- Middle East only dictatorship and Islamist government. The USA have to apply a balance foreign policy that would be beneficial to the USA and their allies. Islamist have been over throwing all none Islamist government and the USA had to step in to protect the none Islamist because other Muslim countries, Russia, China and other countries have refuse or very reluctant to help the none Islamist. Kudos to the USA and their allies for stepping in when no one else wants to.
     
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    Facts are very clear, Ghaddifi is dead, Libya is dysfunctional because the Islamist succeeded in getting rid of a Muslim dictator and the reason they succeeded is because the USA focus its attention on the civilians and other none Islamist.

    Yes, the USA use al qaeda at one point to help Muslims free themselves from the communist Soviets and as usual Al Qaeda an Islamist have turn against the USA because it is the Islamist policy not to have any relationship with none Islamist they are to use them only.
     
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    Libya and Syria are examples where the "non-Islamists" are being ousted by us (either directly or indirectly).
     
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    Yeah. I'm sorry, I should have said my opinion, but I think it's garbage. Posturing. The same sort of rhetoric South American dictators in American economy pockets spout night and day.
     
  25. WanRen

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    The USA are being drag to get involve to oust both the Islamist and the dictators by force they do not want the US to be involve indirectly they are forcing the USA by applying either blackmail, extortion or international pressure against the USA to get involve with bombs, money and man power.
     

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