Religious discussion

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Polydectes, Dec 24, 2019.

  1. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I too could argue that your philosophy is based on anger and emotion. That liberal tactic can be turned on you just as the non-sequiter, or ignorant words. So my point is, you feel your mind and spiritual outlook is superior to those that believe like me. You win (in your own mind)
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Right.....my point is, your humanity is flawed and changes like the wind. Your humanity used to go around, sack villages, rape and pillage. Sure, you believe you are enlightened, but your enlightenment is bound to change,,,,,as history always shows. Even in our age of high technology, we can see the "old ways" creeping in,( though they never disappeared). My faith is based on something that was true 6 thousand years ago and beyond just as it is today. "It" never changes yet the history of our existense has.
    I'm sure Stalin, Lenin, Ho Chi Min and others could say our rights originate in our humanity. (Of course they would say their own personal humanity, it's subject to interpretation) My faith requires a degree of humility, introspection, and a desire to know something greater than my humanity. Humanity is flawed.
     
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    You couldn't argue that in good faith. In other words, you could, but you would be lying. My only philosophy is that we should have a belief system that most accurately represents reality, and we should do that in the most accurate way possible. Do you think that is a belief system that is only shared by liberals?
     
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    You have created reality for yourself based on flawed human nature. I have that nature to. That is why I have sought to find something else. I believe I have. There is a way that seems right to mankind but those ends ALWAYS result in death. It repeats over and over and over. Don't get me wrong....I haven't put my mind on a shelf. I sincerely look for something bigger than myself and when I believe I see a glimpse of Truth, I use logic to confirm. That's all.
     
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    Wait you think people don't believe in climate change?

    Its been happening for 4.5 billion years
     
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    Humans are flawed. That is why we have science. We know that we can fool ourselves, and we know we can trick ourselves into believing we are napoleon. So, all we can do is look and find out, and do everything we can to avoid fooling ourselves. That is all science is. To be fair, you do have to believe in things like your own existence, and causality, and that you have the ability to experience reality. On the other hand, beliefs based in no experience are pretty much always wrong.
     
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    My God has given me direction through His written Word recorded by men and women accountable through the years by scores of others. There is a spiritual thread throughout it's entirety that does bear witness to my own spirit as well as logic. When I have questions, He does speak to me personally. Sometimes through events, sometimes through other people, sometimes in dreams, but he never violates His Word. Also I am accountable to millions of like minded people. Don't begin to equate me to the Son of Sam. I do appreciate you not attacking me with the worn out "fairytail line".
     
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    So, just to be clear, in your **** mind, scientists don't know that there is variation in climate?
     
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    Again, the only difference is how many adults take it seriously. I don't see the difference. You both are talking to invisible beings that you have to believe in before you can believe in.
     
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    It appears not
     
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    We have thousands of text Jesus did live.
     
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    Just for fun, how do you cope with the fact that an all powerful god necessarily must be evil?
     
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    Oh yes, but humans perform science. You believe science, but you most likely don't have the time or expertise to track every research and conclusion. Neither do I. So you have "faith" in what the scientist/humans tell you. Science never lies, but scientists can. My beliefs are all confirmed through experience. That is why I get stronger in my faith as I near the impending end.
     
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    You didn't for one second think "oh, wait, thinking that would be incredibly incredibly stupid. Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about."? I mean that never crossed your mind?
     
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    If you believed you were napoleon, or that a dog was telling you to kill people that would also be 'confirmed' through experience. For that very reason, I do have faith in what they tell me. So do you if you ever get into an airplane, take a drug, cross bridges etc. Again, the alternative to trusting experts who know what they are talking about is to believe morons who have no idea. Which seems more logical to you?
     
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    Just curious do you think the science is settled on AGW?


    Or climate change?


    You do know the difference, correct?
     
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    Lol, first of all, no you don't. Second of all, we have thousands of texts about dracula.
     
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    It's as settled as the causal link between smoking and cancer, or efficacy of vaccines. In other words, if the evidence ever gets to the point where it makes sense for someone who knows what they are talking about to doubt it, then we should change our mind. But, the evidence just keeps getting stronger.
     
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    1897?


    So are you a flat earther? The bible was canonized in the 300 ths


    Jesus lived about 40 years from Cleopatra, mark Antony and ceaser.


    Dracula is an 1897 Gothic horror novel by Irish author Bram Stoker. It introduced ..... and, after the American 1931 movie version was released, the book has never been out of print .

    Publisher: Archibald Constable and Company (UK)

    Publication date: 26 May 1897

    Country: United Kingdom

    Author: Bram Stoker
     
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    And yes, literally EVERYbody knows the difference. This entire stupid argument is 100% intended to waste everyone's time.
     
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    Wait do you really?

    So explain to us the difference between AGW and natural variation
     
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    Obviously I don't take the bible seriously, so I can't be a flat-earther. In fact, if you study flat earthers, you will find their arguments match up very nicely with denialism of man made climate change.
     
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    Ok, but I'm out of patience for stupid things after this.
     
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    The first wouldn't exist without human injection of greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.
     
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    *shrugs*


    It's not that complicated, what is the difference between AGW and natural variation..
     

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