Religious discussion

They are like the amish and hate outsiders..

I am giving you one heck of a theogly history lesson..

You're welcome.

 

I think lack of reasoning makes people think their positions can be proven wrong. And yes people have emotional attachment to their beliefs, I think everyone does to some degree. It's just a matter of ability to compartmentalize. If you do that too much though it's not a good thing.

I think doubt is part of any belief. Not being able to defend is perfectly acceptable. I remember having a discussion about food and taste and my opponent was talking about the spice trade as an example that people will do a lot for taste. I knew that spice in those days was more about preservation than it was taste but I couldn't find the words. That would be a point where others would get defensive.

Yeah I think this is a big part of it. People want affirmation. Some people believe things for the simple reason that other people do.

I guess it makes you seem less like a crack pot of your views are popular. I think of Galileo discovering that the planets revolve around the sun and not the Earth. I wonder what people said about him in his time.

I am not sure unreasonable beliefs need to be defended unless they are the belief that witches should be burned at the stake out something.

 

With religious beliefs, though, doubt is often a troublesome thing. Christian teaching is that you must believe something -- really believe it -- to be saved. Your eternal life depends on it. It doesn't leave room for doubt. That's been my experience with it. When I had those beliefs, I didn't want to doubt them. It was imperative to keep the faith.

 

But you promised me I could keep my lifestyle!

 

I would think it's a useful thing. Especially if you are in a very clannish doubt prevents you from being sucked in by group think

Yeah, the only way you can really believe something is to face doubt. See where it leads.

I would say doubt is necessary for you to really believe something. This is one area where I think traditional religions fall short. Doubt is part of the process.

I think skepticism and doubt are an important part of any goal. They simply must be kept in perspective.

 

Yelling is a sign of insecurity.

The problem with religion is that there is a right answer. It's not a matter of opinion.
Someone is right and everyone who disagrees with them is by definition wrong.

We don't know who is right but we each believe it to be ourselves.

 

That's exactly the thought I was having

depending on whether or not you are in the same religious sect.

Maybe none of us are.

 

Depends how fine you want to grind things down i suppose

 

I've never had a private audience with God so I'm not sure if I am right

 

You're the one confused about Islam. And, no other theology was discussed, as I remember.

And, you just keep trying new ways to disrespect people for their religion.

That's not justifiable.

 

Well, it's true that there are limits when your lifestyle impacts the lifestyle of others.

 

Chuches were Jim Crow in the 1890s and they are Jim Crow in 2019 = https://www.thoughtco.com/diversify-your-racially-segregated-church-2834542

This source says that Hindus worship all sorts of animals = https://www.dailyo.in/variety/hindus-worship-cows-monkeys-cobras-elephants/story/1/18948.html

 

OK, you lied.

I am going to work so that it is the lifestyle of the illegal immigrants that is impacted, not mine.

 

Our history of civil rights is certainly horrible, but it hasn't been limited to religion.

I don't have a problem with adding more respect for nature to our culture, regardless of the source.

 

How are undocumneted aliens impacting your lifestyle?

 

Sucking up all the affordable housing so high density housing has to be built in my exurban community.

 

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I'm not sure what that means, they forbid black people from from using the same facilities as whites? Churches don't have that power.

I'm not interested in reading sources.

 

I'd say our history of civil rights is pretty good. First we recognize civil rights there are places that don't. Second we create new civil rights for people all the time.

 

It's not so much how they are effecting my lifestyle it's how they are effecting the poorest among us without contributing. They take up social benefits and don't contribute to taxes.

 

I doubt undocumented aliens are the reason for tight housing.

In Seattle, the problem has been that the cheapest apartments are unaffordable to low income residents.

The reason is that highly paid idividuals have been coming here for years, willing to pay what it costs. The shortage of housing causes prices to rise - especially when there are people who will pay.

 

Well, at least monkeys and cobras are real but ghosts and spirits seem to be imaginary.

 

Actually, those who find work (the reason they are here) do pay taxes.

Employers are not interested in getting cosswise with the IRS and thus pay the withholdings.

Studies have shown that our SS system is benefitting in a big way, as these contributors are not in a position to collect benefits from SS - or to apply for return of overpayments.

They also pay taxes on property (rented or owned), gas, etc.

 

I ain't afraid a no ghosts.