Reparations for slavery

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  1. danielpalos

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    Mandingo parties don't count.
     
  2. Moriah

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    Slavery was instituted so wealthy Europeans could make more money faster and easier than if they had to pay for it. The reason Africans were chosen for lifetime slavery over Native American or the Irish were: 1) Their Black skin made them stick out more so they couldn't run away. 2) The Africans had nobody to help them or speak up for them like the Native Americans or Irish did. 3) The Africans were adapted for the hard physical work required of slaves.
    The wealthy people who made the laws saw that it was to their great advantage to make slavery legal (surprize). Even as early as the 1770's there some people who knew slavery was wrong and wanted to outlaw it in the Constitution. But the rich slaveowners threatened to not join the new country if they couldn't have their slaves. So, many years later a Civil War was fought over an issue that could have been nipped in the bud.
    I guess rich folks never change---always looking out for their own interests and the hell with everybody else.:frown:
     
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    Is it wrong to simply Tax the wealthiest into Heaven, by solving simple poverty in our Republic?
     
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    the wealthiest are taxed way way less today then in the past
     
  5. Moriah

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    I didn't know a person could be taxed into heaven.:confusion:
     
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    How about some compo for Southern families that had to give up their slaves with no compensation? The English compensated the slave owners to end slavery in the West Indies and other places. May have been a better way to spend those Lincoln dollars. If you think about it.

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    Eh....I think your best shot is right now, while Whites are still the majority and social justice warriors are ascendant. If you wait until Whites are in the minority you're dealing with a different country; one dominated by Asians and Hispanics (Black percentage is projected to be about the same) who don't have a historical or social record of white guilt and don't seem to have any great love for blacks.

    It will be an interesting new country but not one that will benefit you and yours I suspect.
     
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    By today's standards we don't consider slavery acceptable. that#s why we made it illegal just like wifebeating. Doesn't mean we owe people for what happened when it was legal.

    I cant see any reasons why Hispanics would want to pay taxes so that black people get a big free pay out.
     
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    Any reparation must include a one-way ticket to Africa.
     
  10. Moriah

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    You mean compensate someone for doing wrong? Compensate someone for participating in the greatest crime against humanity this world has ever seen? :confusion:

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    Sure. Right after you get back on the boat to wherever you came from.:wink:
     
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    As long as you're paying for the ticket. And boat fare. And all my amenities.
     
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    You need to read a little history. We didn't take 'em against their will, their brothers did. You need to get your history from something besides Roots.
     
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    No.....you definitely did. They didn't wanna leave the African continent any more than they wanted to leave their native tribe in Africa.
     
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    I think he was referring to them being captured by other Africans and SOLD to white people
     
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    How much? I think with universal black failure, many whites will be happy to fork over cash to rid themselves a daily problem.
     
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    Black Africa must be a real dump for blacks to live better in a nation that enslaved them than their native homelands.
     
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    Neither side has room to preach about morals here. The only thing America has on them is that slavery was abolished and former slaves got rights and were actually treated as people with lives.

    Eventually.

    Let's see, there's 42 million black people in America now, and even if we lowball the cost to around $100/person that totals up to around $4,200,000,000 at the very minimum. So with that in mind if we have to go back I expect nothing but the finest luxury cruise ship available, since that last boat that brought us over was very uncomfortable and cramped. I expect all amenities to be paid for by you lovely and all-righteous white people, including room and board, 3-course meals with the finest sous chefs, unlimited drinks, perfect Wi-fi service, a Netflix subscription, daily massage and spa parlors, full access to the casinos, a virtual reality video gaming deck.

    And since I'll be gone make sure you and your white friends mow my lawn, wash my car, scrub all of my windows and pay my taxes and then send me my refund check when you're done.

    When you're finished make sure you all pack up and leave too, I'm sure the remaining Native Americans would love to be rid of the original European white problem.

    Who in turn continued the practice of slavery. That's kinda the point.
     
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    Much worse than a dump.

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    It will be a bargin compared to what it cost us annually in welfare.
     
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    Read the first chapter of The Mismeasure of Man by Stephen Jay Gould. That will give you a good overview of how American intellectuals promoted Scientific Racism to the point that it was a commonly held belief. They used racism to justify the enslavement of Africans. Read the writings of Thomas Jefferson and even the writings of Abraham Lincoln before the Civil War. Racism was ingrained in American culture from its inception and during the early 1800s the view that Blacks and Indians were separate inferior species from Whites was so common that few questioned it.

    Example of quotes promoting racism....

    Thomas Jefferson: I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind. It is not against experience to suppose, that different species of the same genus, or varieties of the same species, may possess different qualifications. Will not a lover of natural history then, one who views the gradations in all the races of animals with the eye of philosophy, excuse an effort to keep those in the department of man as distinct as nature has formed them? This unfortunate difference of colour, and perhaps of faculty, is a powerful obstacle to the emancipation of these people. - Notes on the State of Virginia, Queries 14 and 18, 137--43, 162--63 (1784)

    Abraham Lincoln: I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races — that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. - Lincoln-Douglas debate at Charleston, Illinois (1858)

    Those are the opinions of two U.S. Presidents. Those comments were made 74 years apart. One President is the author of the Declaration of Independence who famously wrote that "all men are created equal" and was involved in an infamous scandal with one of his female slaves (Sally Hemings who was the half-sister of his wife) with whom he fathered several children. The other is the President who was a staunch abolitionist who signed emancipation proclamation. These men with these quotes very clearly stated their belief in White Supremacy and Black inferiority yet would be considered as close to Egalitarians as you could get among American intellectuals by the standards of the day. Did racism intensify after the Civil War? Absolutely. There was the KKK, Segregation, Jim Crow Laws and all kinds of racist resistance to Blacks being equal. But Whites in America were very racist to Blacks before the Civil War.

    I didn't make the argument that Blacks were affected more as a population just that there were more Black slaves than White slaves.



    What is the point in even bringing that up? Of the many Blacks ancestors I and other African-Americans have the vast majority of them were not Black slave masters which was very rare.

    Physical - Slaves were beaten, raped and murdered. Blacks were terrorized by White Supremacist hate groups such as the KKK. Being poor as a product of racist discrimination has impacted the health of African-Americans including mental health.

    Economic - Blacks in America today are disproportionately poor because of racist discrimination. The ancestors of African-Americans came to America as slaves. Once they were freed they literally had no wealth and no formal education. They had to get jobs Whites allowed them to do (mostly share cropping in the beginning then minimum wage jobs, they were denied equal employment for decades). It took the Civil Rights movement 100 years after the end of the Civil War to pass sensible legislation that enabled Blacks to have equal opportunities in education, employment and voting rights. From that point to the present the average income of Blacks improved considerably proving that racism was what was holding Blacks down.

    Psychological - White racism has had a massive negative psychological impact on the African-American community. From self-hating behavior such as calling each other the N-word (Whites started it and some Blacks internalized it), Black women conforming to White standards of beauty by straightening their hair, Black children thinking Whites are better than them (ex. doll test), Blacks turning to crime because they don't believe they can get a decent job, Blacks doing poorly in school because they perceive themselves as stupid (stereotype threat). The Black Lives Matter movement is a reaction to the perception that racist cops are targeting Blacks and the criminal justice system is racist. This emotional reaction is inspired by numerous examples of racism both current and historical. Afrocentrism is a reaction to White Supremacist denigration of African culture which has also negatively impacted African-Americans. The self-image and self-esteem of Blacks in America has been horribly damaged by the experience of slavery and the racism that followed it.

    I didn't suggest that slavery was the cornerstone of the American economy so that is a moot point.
     
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    Its fine I'm all for giving those who were born slaves each a fat check just prove you are a person born into slavery on American soil and are still living, other than that we owe them nothing, the black people now are not slaves and have every opportunity to better themselves. The government provides a free education through High School, libraries and communities can organize and better their lot they did before desegregation when communities were quite robust and they had thriving economies. So what happened to make them so bad off now likely desegregation, welfare and a lack of working together in good ways. Its funny poor white communities such as in Appalachia don't have all those problems and are just as poor or worse.
     
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    It will happen and you are powerless to stop it. You may as well be... well, a slave.
     
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    Reparations for slavery

    IF any reparations, at all, are owed, American blacks should seek reparations from their black brothers in Africa who hunted them down like dogs and took them into slavery, then sold them to anyone who could find a use for them. We don’t owe them squat.
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    On the other hand, black Americans OWE all ancestors of slave owners for bringing them out of Africa. A hopelessly backward country full of dirt hovels where people were eating monkey meat on dirt floors to survive (many probably still do). In other words, black people owe US, for improving their lives by letting them into this country. American blacks are the wealthiest, best fed, and best educated blacks in the world.

    You’re welcome.
     
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    I don't think so. Reparations comes up as a topic every few few years, is argued about and always fades away. The last time it was brought up in congress was in 2013-2014 (HR 40) which was only a bill to study the issue and even that died. No serious attempt to address reparations has ever been brought up in Congress. Reparation Timeline. Members of the pc democrats love to stage and perform emotional grandstanding on this issue, but the US has never seriously considered making this a law..., not ever, not now and not in the foreseeable future,
     
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    Great post.

    This message should be tattooed on the forehead of every black activist who EVER whined about reparations. That way they can read it every morning before leaving home to begin their daily whinefest.
     
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    Almost certainly the worst decision ever made in this country.

    What made him do it? Insanity, would be my guess. Or, drugs.
     

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