Reparations

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by ChrisL, Jan 15, 2017.

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Do you agree with reparations?

Poll closed Mar 16, 2017.
  1. Absolutely not! No reparations!

    82.3%
  2. Yes! Hooray for reparations!

    5.2%
  3. Other (please explain)

    12.5%
  1. Bluesguy

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    Where on earth did you get that idea? That's absurd you believe slavery started and ended in the United States?
     
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    yep, its unparalleled anywhere in the world ever denial wont change that fact sir
     
  3. Bluesguy

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    By what measure? How do you compare slavery under ancient Egypt to slavery in the US? How about the enslavement Briton?

    So again where did you get the idea that the United States started slavery and ended slavery. Slavery only existed in the United States for about 80 years.
     
  4. Soupnazi

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    It is not only paralleled it is surpassed in many parts of the world.

    There is no defense of slavery anywhere and it is abominable but in fact the treatment of slaves under islamic rule and in islamic culture was far far more horrific and lasted far longer than european and american slavery.
     
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    Quite wrong.
     
  6. Esau

    Esau Well-Known Member

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    slavery in briton, are you kidding me

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    wrong.
     
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    It is not wrong it is absolutely historically accurate
     
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    African-Americans owe reparations to Native Americans.
     
  9. JakeJ

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    That is an absurdly false statement. For 1000 years slavery existed in the Roman Empire and for over 1000 years in Islamic Empire - the two largest empires to ever exist, the Islamic Empire the largest still existing today.
     
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    In reality the concept of reparations is absurd.

    First, it would be nearly impossible to fully determine who was the prodigy of slaves and who was not as not all blacks in the USA were slaves at all. For example there is no slavery in the background of President Obama. Rather, his ancestry included white slave owners.

    Second, then it comes to the absurdity that President Obama would have to pay reparations for his white slave owning ancestry.

    Third, it would take DNA testing to determine the personage of "black" a person is. So if a person is 25% black, then that person would have to pay 75% reparations. Clearly, such a reparations plan would require ordering everyone in the USA to be dna tested to determine their racial percentages - though that would be a dream-come-true for the racist and segregationist Democratic Party.
     
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    You also seem to ignore fact that Europeans did not capture and enslave blacks they typically purchased their black slaves from other africans who began the slave trade.

    Europeans were just the last customers
     
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    What even defines "race" anymore? Millions of Democrats are ranting that a person's religion, ie Muslim, is a race.

    The census before last I refused to fill out the line about my race. To my surprise a census worker actually phone me, claiming I was required to answer by law when I told him it was none of the government's business.

    So I said "its damn cold outside, so today I want to be a Pacific Islander so put that down." He bluntly said that I "sound white" and that he was putting that on the census - and hung up. There is not one iota of "white" in my ancestry. So apparently a person's accent also is a race of people.

    How would the government even determine who a black person that is a prodigy of slaves? Even DNA wouldn't solve that question since not all blacks in the USA even during slavery were slaves. Some blacks were slave owners.

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    Slavery was common and typical in Africa.
     
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    not in the context we're discussing though
     
  14. Esau

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    irrelevant to the point that the slavery of so-called africans by europeans is unparalleled anywhere in the world, ever.

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    that was nowhere near as horrific as chattel slavery practiced by europeans on so-called africans.
     
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    Yes in the context we are discussing.

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    It is not irrelevant as the point you make is simply fiction and historically false.

    Yes it was far more horrific than the chattel slavery practiced by europeans on africans
     
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    It's sad that people that have cried about being discriminated by the color of their skin attack people for having a different color skin.
     
  17. Esau

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    did the romans only persecute one nation? exactly. case closed.
     
  18. Soupnazi

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    Neither did the Europeans or USA you have no case to close period and are proven wrong
     
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    yes they did. of course, you didnt know that though so i forgive you.
     
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    No they did not and you are wrong.

    Perhaps you could name the one nation which the Europeans persecuted?

    You never will because your claim is proven false by history
     
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    Just throwing my 1 cents in...

    I don't think that anyone on this forum would be seeking to minimise the horror of the trans Atlantic slave trade. But several things have to be pointed out:

    1. Slavery was no picnic for anyone. White slaves captured by Vikings and later by Muslims such as Red Beard suffered terribly. In all cases of mass slavery, some slaves had relatively good lives and some earned their freedom. Most, however, had very brutal and short lives.
    2. Suggesting that everyone in Africa is of a single race is really quite racist. There is more genetic diversity within Africa than in all humanity outside of Africa.
    3. The Europeans bought slaves from a number of markets, including in Asia, South America and North America (yes, the native Americans also had slaves and participated in slave trading with Europeans).
     
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    All quite accurate and reasonable
     
  23. Esau

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    histories bounds are limited to ones education. might i suggest you read coomassie and magdala if you are interested in gaining such knowledge, youre welcome friend.
     
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    In other words you are full of BS and you know it and the facts many have explained to you here proves you wrong
     
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    Unfortunately, there is no way to make up for slavery. Those who suffered are gone as are those who caused their suffering. Equality is the only fair reparation. Deciding who pays and who receives requires segregation. Equality cannot be achieved through segregation.
     
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