Repeal the Jones Act to speed Puerto Rico's Recovery

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  1. doombug

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    It is hilarious to see lefties suddenly concerned with regulations.....
     
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    That's right Margo

    Just keep making excuses for them like an over protective mother and then wonder why they never groww up
     
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    Based on your own bolding, did you even actually understand your own quote? It says they "do not have to pay federal personal income tax", but for some reason you bolded the word "do" instead of "do not".

    .....and Puerto Ricans.
    .....and the Jones Act.
    Some people appear to care only when it is politically beneficial to them. I'm willing to bet almost nobody here had even heard of the Jones Act until this hurricane, hell we had people here who didn't even seem to realize Puerto Rico was an island!
     
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    I didn't bold anything.. That's exactly as it was written.. I had heard of the Jones Act..
     
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    Today Puerto Rico might as well be a part of New York City.
     
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    Yes. Get the facts.
    Trump Waives Jones Act for Puerto Rico, Easing Hurricane Aid Shipments
    By NIRAJ CHOKSHI SEPT. 28, 2017
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/us/jones-act-waived.html
     
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    America forcibly sterilized an entire third of puerto rican women around 70s and 80s, used an island municipality as a bombing range to such an extent that it has more craters per kilometer squared than the moon and covered it in toxic waste, the US massacred 19 independence activists in the 30s, performed unethical human experimentation, and other atrocities. It's not an exaggeration to say that the USA has treated puerto rico only slightly better than Imperial Japan treated her colonies. The people of puerto rico have been victims of crimes against humanity. They have a right to be angry. Their country's wealth has been sabotaged again and again by austerity policies so it can continue to be a source of cheap labor and a vacation playground for the rich.

    They have been kept down. Who are you to talk about them when you don't know a thing about their history?
     
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    Neither Pres. Trump nor FEMA is responsible for PR's massive debt, lack of preparedness or participation. Like all Democrats, there is no personal responsibility, only the fetal position from which they cry out for Momma FEMA to come change their soiled diapers and then call FEMA idiots and try and blame it all on Trump.
    People aren't buying it. Most think Pres.Trump did an excellent job with all the hurricanes.
     
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    80% of PR still doesn't have electricity.. Its very bad unless you think Trumps general Jeffrey Buchanan is lying.

    Blaming the victim is just sooooo Trump.
     
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    Why do you think this would be different if Hillary were President?
     
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    He isn't blaming the victim. He is stating the obvious, "PR is screwed, and here's why"

    He's blaming congress.
     
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    It wouldn't have been any different no matter who was president. Puerto Rico has internal problems and infrastructure issues that magnified the hurricane's damage, period. And that's without getting into the corruption issues or the general work ethic of much of the population, which doesn't help the rebuilding process either.
     
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    And why do you believe it is necessary to repeal the entire act?
    Why do you believe 10 days was not enough, or that another suspension will be enough?
     
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    Are you pro unions?
     
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    Louisiana, Florida and Texas are still getting assistance.
     
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    Similarly, Puerto Rico must import liquefied natural gas for its power plants, but there are no ships complying with the Jones Act large enough to transport that much gas from the U.S. Gulf Coast. Instead, Puerto Rico imports liquefied natural gas from Trinidad & Tobago. Low-cost gas from the mainland United States is sent to Asia, Europe, and South America instead, transported on the ships of other nations.

    How will Puerto Rico recover when it must pay extra for every item it needs in the recovery—every gallon of diesel, every bottle of water, every new truck to deliver supplies, every piece of equipment to repair its infrastructure?

    Repealing the Jones Act can also help ensure that more Americans share in our country’s new energy wealth. Thanks to shale, the United States is now the world’s largest producer of petroleum. And Puerto Ricans aren’t the only Americans who could benefit from this new production. East Coast oil refineries also need the kind of light, clean oil that has fueled the Texas oil boom.

    But there aren’t enough Jones Act ships to carry Texas oil to the East Coast. Instead, Texas oil is shipped to Canada, Latin America and Europe, and the East Coast imports oil from Africa and the Middle East. Repealing the Jones Act would allow Americans on the East Coast to benefit from the shale boom, cut shipping costs and put downward pressure on fuel prices.
     
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    Too bad President Obama wasn't involved on the Jones Act. Trump would be all over it !
     
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    You say this, knowing full well PR is still getting assistance as well.
    Translation: You cannot meaningfully answer my question.
     
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    You made this up.
    The Jones Act protects thousands upon thousands of blue-collar American jobs.
    Why do you hate blue-collar American workers?
     
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    Unions have got nothing to do with this situation.

    It's about ensuring that US shipping is done by US workers and not foreign ones.

    Not only does it kill american jobs, it also presents unnecessary security risks.

    I'm sure you know that though.
     
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    The AFL CIO wants the Jones Act to stay... US shippers don't have to be competitive.
     
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    This is all complete fiction.

    First of all, US ships don't "comply" with the Jones Act.

    The Jones Act stops ships from foreign countries from loading in US ports, then delivering to another US port.

    There are no "size" restrictions, nor does it affect shipping on any coast.

    The Jones Act does one thing and one thing only: require shipping BETWEEN US ports to be US crews on US ships.

    That's. All.

    The rest of your paragraph is completely false.
     

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