Republicans and pollution

Ive seen the data. And on rare occasions have actually read of warmers aknowledging that fact. But then half of them, then claim the heat must be hidden in the deep oceans. But then the most recent research has shown they havent been able to detect any warming in the deep oceans.

 

Whatever,

As I pointed out to another one of your bretheren on this thread, these assertions would get a solid laugh out of the engineers and scientists at the conference I'm at right now.

Nobody buys this denial nonsense anymore.

 

But looking at the results of that economic growth -- pollution, in part -- is that always the right thing?

 

A typical tactic. In truth, there are more examples than I can conveniently count. Still, the repubs insist on specifics. When you provide them, they ignore them.

In a future letter, I promise, if I live, to provide examples.

 

I disagree. I cheerfully admit that some Democrats fit the description. The repub party, however, is the one which makes it dogma, not to be questioned.

 

Junius, fils says: Sensible scientific evidence supports the concept of global warming. Lies and doctored date support the opposite.

Junius, fils also says: to claim that widening income gaps are caused by excessive regulation, taxation, and regulation makes absolutely no sane sense in any context whatsoever..

Care to try again?

Have a nice day.

 

Do not confuse wealthy INDIVIDUALS (who also dodge taxes by hiding $$ in places like the Cayman Islands) with corporations, which combine tax breaks with off-shore tax shelters.

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Read the Rolling Stone article, have you? How about their history of pollution and corporate corruption?

 

I have provided and will continue to provide sources in my letters.

 

What you seem to be hoping for is a return to the Republican party of 30 yrs. ago...perhaps 40. Many of us who lived during these days of glory also wish and dream of a return.

Unfortunately it seems this is not in the cards...and if we say it out loud, we are pushed under the bus.

Way to win elections boys.

 

These are very difficult political times, for sure.

But in the words like those of Winston Churchilll, which proved to be true after Pearl Harbor.

"The Americans will try everything and take a long time about it, but evntually they get it right". I only hope that is true this time, but it doesn't feel good, just now, for me anyway.

In that day they had FDR the last of the great Presidents of USA, or so someone said today. Today they do not have his equal and there is not even anyone in the wings, it seems to me.

 

Well, you cannot accuse conservative republicans of being responsible folks when it comes to the environment. Profit over everything is my perception of these people. Profit over humans, profit over destruction of the eco system. They don't think about future humans who will have to live on this planet. Short term profit is all that matters, for their big corporate bribers.

On the other side some of these liberals are unreasonable as well. They go too far in their environmentalism. There is a rational middle ground.

 

Taxcutter says:
Junius exercises his/her right to be wrong.

 

If you read the Declaration of Independance you will read about the stupidity of King George, really. It seems King John could have been equally stupid with his own people, from what you say. Either way USA got a Constitution based on the Magan Carta, which was a truly great document for its time, as was the Constitution. But its seems kings aren't the only people who can behave badly. Politicians and Presidents in USA are definitely not immune from that complaint, just now and we elected them.

 

Magna Carta was a granting of rights by the King to his subjects. Declaration of Independence was a declaration that those rights have always been our rights.

 

I have just read that Magna Carta granted rights to the 'Barons' and left out the people.

The declaration of Independance did intend to apply to all the people, but I perceive the writers of the Constitution didn't really meam "all" the people, just some of the preferred elite. Now it seems the monied minority in USA has and is even more usurping the Constitution to suite them rather than 'we the people'. Just my perception. But its just people who can afford it doing what people can do, if they are minded. Just like all people from all races at all times.

 

One of my US mates I've had email text with has said "There are some Republicans believe we must have more air pollution because the sun is quickly becoming a red super giant and that more pollution will help to stop excess sunlight that's going to cook Earth. I honestly wonder if US Republicans and Obama, for that matter, eat poop for breakfast, lunch, and supper.

 

Taxcutter says:
The EPA served a useful purpose for a while. 1970 to 1975. By the end of 1975 they had mechanisms in place to drastically reduce pollution.

But the the EPA found they were in the same situation as the Bureau of Reclamation. Bothj agencies had been put in place to carry out missions and they had done so. But the EPA was not willing to go the way of the Bureau of Reclamation - become a small agency maintaining a limited bailiwick. So they sought out new dragons to slay. Much smaller dragons that would be very expensive for the people to pay for slaying.

The result is history. The EPA more thoroughly destroyed the US manufacturing sector than the Eighth Air Force did Nazi Germany's manufacturing sector. Whole industries were driven out of business or offshore. Consumers can no longer find some acceptable products made in the USA. Here's a few:

Hard chrome motorcycle parts
Toilets that do the job in one flush
Efficient refrigeration equipment
Washing machines that get clothes clean
Gas cans that vent properly
Poor quality paint

I don't give a rip about companies profits, but the survivors captured the EPA and use it today to keep out competition.

What I do give a rip about:
a. Consumers stuck with inferior overpriced products
b. Loss of US jobs
c. Higher taxes

 

Yes sensible scientific evidence does not include doctored data or hysteria. that is why the sensible scientists agree that climate change is being accelerated by human activity.

As you spout RNC slogans in return? Not to mention that the sum total of your "causes" of the widening income gap don't amount to a fraction of the contribution by other factors. Such as by lack of regulation (banks, consumer protections, et.al), tax loopholes for the rich, the unexpected outcome of outrageous corporate executive incentives to slash overhead in lieu of expanding marketshare/revenue, and on and on.

I do realize the necessity to "boil it down" into digestible and ideologically compatible sound bites, but that approach from both sides of the fence merely contributes to partyism and actually prevents or greatly inhibits resolving issues and solving problems.

 

Taxcutter says:
I fight lies with truth.

Taxcutter says:
Hundreds of thousands of pages of regulations have been promulgated since 1970. And you have the temerity to speak of "lack of regulation?" On what planet?

Taxcutter says:
In a competitive market, it is not always possible to increase market share or revenue. Competition stymies pricing power. At that point it is good business practice to cut costs wherever possible. Overhead costs today are a much higher part of overall costs than they were in 1970. The cost of complying with regulations, fending off rapacious litigators, and ever-increasing taxes are large portions of overhead costs.

Business is dynamic. You are either growing or you are dying and centuries of business law demand that management do whatever it can to maximize shareholders' profits. Those that fail to do so either go out of business or get bought up in a hostile takeover and liquidated.

Further, as I have stated before, the big losers in Global Warming are not the corporations. Like with the Ozone Hole scam, the corporations found ways to make bigger profits (at the expense of consumers). US consumers, workers, and taxpayers will be the big losers if the Global Warming scam goes through.

 

spoken like a mindless partisan. You have certainly earned that merit badge.

Yes. Nobody doubts that there is way too much red tape and vestigial bureaucratic nonsense.
But lack of regulation in finance for instance greatly contributed to the recent financial meltdown.

That you equate quantity with quality, without regard to subject matter is a pretty dumb argument. I'm all for getting rid of ridiculous regulations, but for instance getting rid of glass steagall to satisfy big banking was not one of them.

yes, I am well aware that it is not always possible to grow in a competitive market. Hence the unintended consequence of execs slashing overhead to meet profit objectives and bonuses.

its always good business to minimize costs wherever possible. Its not always good business to cut costs.

Last time I looked, taxes were not overhead.

You can also maintain a steady level of business performance without dying.
As to centuries of business law, you might want to learn the difference between maximizing shareholder VALUE and shareholder PROFIT. A simple accounting course would help you immensely I'm sure.

I agree that humans (since corporations are people too it seems in conservalaland) will be the biggest losers if climate change is not addressed.

 

The rational Middle ground is where I'd like to be. But who can represent this very large body of people and opinion. The current political system doesn't seem to allow it.

 

If doing this woild find my middle ground party then 'bring it on'. But even companies in those times seemed to ignore pollution sometimes in favor of profit. That mindset has somehow got to be overcome.

 

Hmm. It would seem our current environmental regulation are much too stringent for some people, and yet much to lax for other people. One might say a rational middle ground.

 

Mathematically it may be, but in practice nothing happens, IMO.

 

The GOP does have a horrible track record on the prevention of pollution. No doubting that.