Response to London Attack from Muslims

The dreadful murder in London has prompted a fairly predictable response from the likes of the EDL and other self-proclaimed 'patriots' that the UK should be clamping down on the Muslims, stopping immigration, fighting for Britain, etc., etc..

Meanwhile, the Islamic Society of Britain has given its response to the attack:

http://www.isb.org.uk/woolwich-terror-statement/

Perhaps those extremists who are suggesting that we should fear anybody who happens to be a Muslim should take note.

It's time for the extremists on both sides to realise that the overwhelming majority of decent people in the UK, whatever their religion or colour, want no part at all in their hate-filled agenda.

 

Press release from the Muslim Council of Great Britain:

http://www.mcb.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2333r-template&catid=40ress-release

 

There is a long history of Muslims saying one thing for PR and another behind the closed doors of their society.

 

Federation of Muslim Organisations:

http://www.fmo.org.uk/index.php/component/newsfeeds/165

 

Leicestershire Interfaith Forum:

http://www.fmo.org.uk/index.php/component/newsfeeds/164

 

Yea, I can barely wait for the next wikileaks cable from US embassies!

 

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,274934,00.html

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/007891.html

 

The Association of Muslim Schools UK

http://ams-uk.org/muslim-council-of-britain-press-release-22-may-2013-muslims-condemn-attack-on-soldier-in-woolwich/

 

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4142...ts-w-modern-society-25-came-to-us-under-bush/

 

Starting a witch hunt in the name of a moron is a think from the dark ages

 

Here's a whole page of Muslim responses, all saying the same kind of thing:
http://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/10438210.List_of_Muslim_groups_condemning_Woolwich_murder/?ref=nt

Let nobody be under any illusion. The overwhelming majority of ordinary, decent Muslims condemn this kind of attack every bit as much as every other decent human being. This might be an inconvenient truth to those who seek to further their own agenda of hate from 'the other side', of course, and some kinds of 'news' sources will ignore or play down such responses, or even such to dismiss them as some kind of 'deceit' in order to further their own campaigns of hatred, but it is truth nonetheless.

Decent people of every race and religion want nothing whatsoever to do with the extremists of any kind, and want no part in their agendas of hate or their campaigns of violence and intimidation.

 

The last book of the Koran, the "Book of the Sword" supercedes anything written in the more peaceful, earlier parts.

Ask the Muslim Society of Britain to condem this part of the Koran if they want to be taken seriously.

 

As long as the UK and US have troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, this will never end. Muslim frustration on this issue is paramount in understanding their escalation. Right or wrong, how would you as an American or Brit feel if there were, say, Chinese troops in your country for over a decade ?

BTW, I supported removing Saddam and the Taliban from power, but I don't feel it was our right to force democracy unto the people - that was their choice.

 

I don’t think fearing someone just because he or she is a Muslim is 100% justified.

However, all things considered, it would not be unreasonable to be somewhat apprehensive.

 

But they don't blame all white people, do they?

 

your first link lies.

 

You've been deceived by taqiyya.

You really expect these sympathetic "moderate" Muslims to come out and support the attack yesterday? Do you think they can advance their agenda more effectively surreptitiously or by blatantly telling everybody what they are trying to accomplish?

They came to the UK as invaders. You're paying them to outbreed you so that they will be the majority in a few generations. Churchill wouldn't have bothered fighting the Nazis if he knew his country would simply surrender to Islamic fascists a few generations after him, especially considering he warned the world that Islam is the most "retrograde force that exists". What a complete joke your country is.

 

well since there is no "Book of the Sword" that would be hard to condemn. There is a verse of the sword aimed at polytheists that reads:

sounds like this:

and this:

abomination unto the LORD thy God.

or this

SO...........................

 

What total nonsense. The fascists that present a real danger to the future of the UK, our society, our way of life, and everything we stand for, certainly aren't from the tiny lunatic minority at the fringes of Islam, any more than the real threat to Germany in the 1930s came from the Jews.

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Catholic.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

Sorry, but your "tiny minority of extremists" gambit is losing its effect, fast

ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims
sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims
in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that
suicide attacks against civilians in Britain
can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide
attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist


The body of your beheaded countrymen isn't even cold yet, and your first instinct is to come on here and defend the murderous ideology that motivated the attack. I wish I could say it was unbelievable, but I've been exposed to too much progressive thinking to be surprised now.

Platitudes.

 

Here is a warning (part 1 of a series). A real warning, based on historical fact, about how an entire country became run according to racist ideology and an agenda of hate, where bigots succeeded in furthering their agenda of hate by whipping up fear of 'the enemy within' at a time of financial hardship, blaming economic woes on a particular group, demanding that that group be 'marked out' as 'enemies of the country', and so on.
[video=youtube;TDhgp-cOpSM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDhgp-cOpSM[/video]

THAT is the kind of warning people really need to be worried about, not some deliberately constructed fear of a religious or racial group acting as 'the enemy within', hiding behind every corner and plotting to 'destroy our way of life' if we don't all stand up and fight against them for the greater glory of the fatherland.

 

“Churchill wouldn't have bothered fighting the Nazis if he knew his country would simply surrender to Islamic fascists a few generations after him”

Ain’t that the truth

Think there’s a song by the Kinks: “There’s No England Anymore”

 

Yes yes, because any opposition to open doors immigration means you're a racist Nazi. Standard progressive reply.

Here's how it is: If current immigration and reproductive trends hold, Britain will one day have a Muslim majority. Are you comfortable with being a minority in your own country? Are you comfortable with having a majority Arab Muslim population? Or is it that you feel that you won't be around when that ultimately happens, so you don't care much about it? I noticed that progressives have that kind of attitude when it comes to the future of their country.

 

Not at all. 'Opposition to open doors immigration' and 'proclaiming that everyone should be afraid of these evil people from a certain religion who are living in our midst and plotting to destroy us' are not the same thing at all, though.

I am among the remaining descendants of the Ancient Britons. I am already a minority in 'my own country' - we've been that on 'our' island for well over 1000 years. Places change and populations and cultures wax and wane over the centuries as a natural result of human movements - anybody who doesn't understand that is fooling themselves. That is how it has always been, and that is how it always will be - attempting to deny that is like trying to hold back the tide with a hand. How do modern 'Americans' feel about being part of the horde of immigrants who came over the sea and destroyed the native peoples and cultures of the land now known as the USA, and with violence and destruction? I'm guessing not generally worried enough to renounce their culture and 'go back where they belong'!

Perhaps there will be a Muslim majority in Britain in a few centuries time. Or perhaps it will be an Atheist majority (probably more likely - there are many more atheists than Muslims at the moment!). Or perhaps there will be a resurgence of Christianity, or something else entirely - who knows? It's not possible to predict the future that far ahead with all of its possible variables, and whatever will be will eventually be, whether some people have some warped idea of 'keeping things pure' or not. What is absolutely certain, though, is that there is nothing like the immediate danger of any kind of sudden collapse of civilisation as we know it here that some people with particular agendas of their own are trying to claim, because the amount of people who actually want something like that are such a tiny minority that they are completely insignificant in statistical and cultural terms.

There is nothing worth fearing in this whole situation except the evil that can result from that fear itself.

 

The "Book of the Sword" contains the Sword Verses:

Antonie Wessels identifies two verses in the Quran (9.5 and 29) that are called "sword verses" though he notes that the word 'sword' does not occur in the Quran.[34] In particular, verse 9.5 from Surah At-Tawba is known as the Ayat al-sayf, Ayah of the Sword or The Sword Verse.

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 5:


“

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
— translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali




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In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriks of Makkah

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 1:


“

A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances:.— translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali



”


A period of four months was given to the Pagans of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them.

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 2:


“

Go ye, then, for four months, backwards and forwards, (as ye will), throughout the land, but know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah (by your falsehood) but that Allah will cover with shame those who reject Him.— translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali



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The Qur'an not only says that a Pagan seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place.

The Quran, chapter 9 (At-Tawba), verse 6:


“

If one amongst the Pagans ask thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure. That is because they are men without knowledge.— translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali


Sorry, but there are legions of Islamics who take these passages to heart in the Koran. The beheading in London is just the start.

If you want to quote OT laws, fine. But how about giving us a thumbnail of all of Christ's commands in the New Testament.