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Grau claims there's a secret Zionist plan to edit Wikipedia entries, a conspiracy. However it's all out in the open.

The whole point of Wikipedia is to be a free encyclopedia created and edited by people all around the world. Why wouldn't Zionists participate in the project?

I admit I don't like the idea of a biased group - whichever side it's on - editing Wikipedia entries to make their side look better. But we're very far from the secret nefarious plans Grau is describing.

Bennett is an idiot regardless.

 

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I've posted countless credible sources including the Chicago Tribune, the USNI, documents from the State Department, intelligence expert James Bamford & much more.

What sources have you posted? ........... absolutely nothing.

In addition to the one I posted, there are numerous sources that report that one of the USS Liberty's life rafts is proudly on display in an Israeli naval museum as a trophy but I'm finished spoon feeding you commonly known facts only to have you deny them like a stubborn child.

Actually, I recognized you as a most virulent Liberty Denier long ago and have enjoyed posting excerpted facts for the benefit of curious, rational readers interested in Israel's most egregious betrayal of America.


"The Forgotten Sneak Attack"
https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/12/09/the-forgotten-sneak-attack/

EXCERPT "The life raft taken by the Israeli torpedo boat and the wheel of the torpedo boat that succeeded in hittingLiberty are on display at Israel’s National Maritime Museum in Haifa. In Israel, those who participated in the attack are celebrated as national heroes."CONTINUED



"Still Waiting for USS Liberty’s Truth"
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/04/still-waiting-for-uss-libertys-truth/
EXCERPT "According to Lockwood, the wheel from the torpedo boat that fired the killing torpedo has been on display at the Israeli Navy Museum in Haifa along with a life raft the Israeli boats picked up on their way back to Ashdod adding insult to injury."CONTINUED

 

You ignore the obvious. Which shows that if you were truly familiar with the Liberty attack and open minded you would not posted what I bolded above.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iftach_Spector

And this that you posted is not true:
What sources have you posted? ........... absolutely nothing

I've posted from many sources. You rejecting those sources does not mean they are not valid.

 

http://www.thelibertyincident.com/walsh-response.html

 

We give the cold shoulder to allies all the time .. as they do to us. In the Iraq war we did not get support from France and Germany. This does not mean they are not our allies - it only meant that they disagreed with our actions at the time. Friends do not have to agree with each other in everything to be friends.

Your article does not address the main point here though = US was a big part of - and a big friend to Israel in relation to - the creation of an Israeli state.

 

I've got perfectly good reasons for rejecting your sources.
Wikipedia is already known to be infected by Israel's army of paid, trained & scripted Hasbara Trolls as clearly illustrated by one of my earlier Posts & in "truth and justice's" Post # 741 just as Ahron Jay Cristol has been exposed as a liar by the Liberty survivors(1).

Don't you think that Judge Cristol would sue the LVA for slander if he were not a proven liar. The only reason he hasn't sued is because it would be more widely known that he's a shameless liar & those who believe him are either Israeli shills or hopeless dupes(2).

The only reason you have for rejecting James Bamford, The Chicago Tribune, the USNI, State Department documents(Dean Rusk) is your blatant loyalty to Israel's mass murdering miscreants over the testimony of the USS Liberty survivors for which you have no valid reason for dismissing.


(1) $10,000 Challenge
https://www.usslibertyveterans.org/10000challenge.html

"The Liberty Veterans Association offers a $10,000 reward to anyone who can establish the truth of A. Jay Cristol's claim:

"After ten official US investigations (including five congressional investigations), there was never any evidence that the attack was made with knowledge that the target was a US ship."


(2) "WHAT DO ISRAELIS THINK ABOUT AMERICANS? START WITH DISDAIN"

http://forward.com/news/israel/216074/what-do-israelis-think-about-americans-start-with/

EXCERPT " Though Israel is a famously fractious society, Israelis tend to agree on one thing: Their strongest supporters are an inherently dupable people.

“Most Israelis think Americans are pro-Israel and we can sell them anything, especially mud from the Dead Sea,” said David Lifshitz, the lead writer for the Israeli comedy show “Eretz Nehederet,” or “Wonderful Land.”

“Or — just regular mud with a ‘Dead Sea’ sticker on it.”CONTINUED

 

You didn't address my points:

1) At least for the flight leader of course Iftach Spector is regarded as a national hero in Israel. It has nothing to do with the attack on the Liberty but as him being one of Israel great aces. Twelve enemy aircraft shot down. Which also indicates that air to air combat was his specialty and NOT attacking ships.

2) The NSA had fully two dozen of their people killed aboard the Liberty (and more wounded) so naturally they are not going to be inclined to reach a conclusion that reduces the attack to a mere accident.

 

I believe that "Pisa" is asserting that the US and Israel were not allies when Israel deliberately attacked our USS Liberty.

I am still unclear how that excuses the multiple war crimes committed by Israel during that "accidental" attack.
Even if a Neutral nation were attacked by Israel, that doesn't legitimize the following War Crimes committed by the Israelis during the attack:
- Jamming all emergency radio frequencies
- Use of unmarked aircraft
- firing on rescue personnel
- strafing life rafts

Former Sec of State, Dean Rusk writes in his letter to the Israeli ambassador :

"Accordingly there is every reason to believe that the U.S.S Liberty was identified, or at least her nationality determined, by Israeli aircraft approximately one hour before the attack. In these circumstances, the later military attack by Israeli aircraft on the U.S.S. Liberty is quite literally incomprehensible."(1)

Among the probable motives for Israel's deliberate attack on the USS Liberty was it's recording of other Israeli war crimes including IDF massacres of Egyptian POWs as well as evidence that Israel initiated hostilities as a blatant land grab via surprise attack.







256. Diplomatic Note From Secretary of State Rusk to the Israeli Ambassador (Harman)1
https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1964-68v19/d256

 

You've offered no evidence of this aside from survivors accounts and hearsay. That is not enough evidence to support the accusation of an act of war and murder.

Can you provide just ONE piece of actual physical evidence. Just one. A picture of the Liberty life raft you claim is in an Israeli museum with a close up that clear shows bullet holes would be a nice start.

Gun camera footage from the attacking Israeli planes clearly showing a U.S. flag flying from the ship would be another.

I would like to note that the longer you've posted in this thread the more outrageous and undocumented your claims have been.

For example,

1) You claim the Israelis tried to shoot down an U.S. EC-121 that had recorded transmissions related to the attack. Yet you have failed to return to that accusation which tells me you know it is false.

2) Just above you claim that the Israelis fired on "rescue personnel". Yet not one of those personnel on the Liberty were killed. All the dead aboard the Liberty resulted from the first air strikes and from the single torpedo hit.

 

1. What does mass murdering war criminal Iftach Spector have to do with anything and what make you think that the IAF has a separate specialization for pilots trained only to attack ships?
Do they also have pilots only trained to attack tanks too?
Thanks for the laugh!

2. More likely, if someone in the NSA concluded that the attack was deliberate it would be because anyone with common sense & knowledge of the attack would conclude the same thing however the NSA still keeps aspects of the attack secret.
However, to the best of my knowledge, the official NSA position is that it was an "accident."
Where did you read otherwise?

 

Iftach Spector has never been tried much less convicted of war crimes. So he is not one. Case closed.

And every westernized Air Force I've ever read about has their pilots in different specializations.

For example, during the Cold War U.S. F-14 pilots were not even trained in the ground attack mission because interception and air superiority were considered far and away the vital role for the Tomcats.

After the Cold War, Tomcat pilots were trained to attack ground targets and most F-14 missions were in fact in the so called "bombcat" role.

 

Yes .. he has asserted that the US and Israel were not allies. One thing is for sure - they certainly were not enemies such that an Israeli attack on a US ship would have been justified - so not really sure what the point of such a comment is.

 

The article in the Political Science Quarterly clearly states that the American administration was persuaded by the British to maintain the arms embargo for the Middle East, while British officers armed, trained, and led the Jordanian army against Israel. This particular episode doesn't look like the action of a big friend. To be honest, it doesn't even look like the action of a smaller friend, or a garden gnome sized friend, or at least a microscopic virus-like friend. It was a very visible green light for Arabs to attack Israel with all they had, including British - America's allies - weapons and know-how. An ally of an enemy can't be the friend of that enemy's enemy, sorry.

Baby Israel was incredibly lucky that the Soviet Bear was interested in ending the presence and influence of the British in the Middle East. Though not exactly Zionism fans, the Russians used Jewish national aspirations as a proxy against what the Soviet propaganda called "western imperialism".

"He" has not asserted anything. A "He" couldn't have displayed the brilliance, elegance, cognitive abilities and incredible insight that characterize Pisa's posts

Oh, the outrage...

The point of such a comment is that if an article - be it a news item, an opinion piece, investigative journalism, whatever - begins with a lie, the rest of it isn't quite credible. As I said, all anti-Israel articles about USS Liberty contain the same lie regarding the relationships between US and Israel at the time.

No, intentionally attacking a US ship wouldn't have been justified. But neither is blindly believing allegations in articles that contain a blatant lie.

 

This is a perfect example of the dishonesty and manipulations glaringly obvious in anti-Israel articles about Liberty. Well, obvious for those not blinded by hatred, that is.

Rusk's letter was written two days after the attack on Liberty, before any thorough investigation took place. Yet it's being paraded as proof that Israel deliberately attacked a US ship!

Regarding one gem in your "war crimes" string (since when is jamming frequencies a war crime, by the way?) - the "unmarked aircraft" claim - I have no choice but to respectfully inform you that this one is a fake too.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/state-department-documents-from-the-1967-war-june-1967-2

No mention of strafing life boats and firing on rescue personnel in the telegram, or the rest of the documents.

Pfftt.

 

I've never heard of Iftah Spector before. Pilots are not celebrated as national heroes, not those who attacked Liberty, nor others. They're only performing their duty to the country, as most other Israelis (military service is mandatory here). This is the norm.

 

Nonsense, I've repeated supported all my assertions concerning Israel's deliberate attack on our USS Liberty and attempt to murder its entire crew.

How much "investigating" (i.e. manufacturing the cover up) is needed to conclude that attacking a clearly marked & flagged US ship after 5 - 9 hours of close surveillance.

How does anyone "accidentally" shoot at a friendly target for well over an hour at close range?


While jamming regular radio communications may not be a war crime, jamming emergency radio frequencies is.

Of course you're not going to find details of Israeli war crimes using the "Jewish Virtual Library"

Israel's initial use of unmarked planes is well documented in more credible accounts such as the following:

"History Channel’s "Cover Up: Attack on the USS Liberty" Gives Crew Chance to Tell Their Story"
https://www.wrmea.org/001-october/h...ty-gives-crew-chance-to-tell-their-story.html
EXCERPT "Then, at 2 p.m. on June 8, 1967, a clear day, three unmarked Mirage fighters attacked the USS Liberty for five minutes. A National Securty Agency (NSA) surveillance plane overheard the attack. Radio operators in nearby Lebanon also intercepted Israel Defense Force orders to attack the ship, as well as the pilot’s reply that it was an American ship and he could see an American flag. The order was repeated: “Attack the ship.”"CONTINUED

Of course the "Jewish Virtual Library is also going to omit Israel's deliberate strafing of lowered life rafts too:

"Commonly Asked Questions about the USS Liberty"
Prepared by the Independent Commission of Inquiry

http://ifamericaknew.org/us_ints/ul-qa.html

EXCERPT "After the attack was thought to have ended, three life rafts were lowered into the water to rescue the most seriously wounded. The Israeli torpedo boats returned and machine-gunned these life rafts at close range."CONTINUED

I dare with you or your fellow hate filled Liberty Deniers to find an equivalent "Friendly Fire" incident that involved 5 - 9 hours of crystal clear, close recon and over 800 rounds of "Friendly Fire".

Don't accuse me of dishonesty when you're so blatantly ignorant of the facts.

 

Why would the crew of the Liberty be lowering life rafts in the first place?

1) The ship was not sinking. It wasn't going to blow up at that point.
2) The captain says he never gave the order to abandon ship.
3) There were no neutral or friendly vessels nearby to evacuate to.

The claim that life rafts were being lowered to evacuate the wounded sounds ridiculous. In all likelihood if any of the life rafts had bullet or shrapnel damage it was only incidental.

 

And you think that negates Jew terrorist filth like Begin do you?

 

Are you bitching about the Jews blowing up the King David Hotel?

They tried to warn you British ahead of time you know.

 

It is comical to watch the zionists twist and turn to defend the fact that Israel was created by terrorism against the British Empire and Comonwelth that fought alone against the Nazis for nearly a year!

 

No I am saying you openly support Jewish terrorist filth and do not like to hear Jewish Terrorist Scum like Begin being called out for what they were, Jewish Terrorist Filth. Now you have already admitted that you support terrorist filth so stop trying to deflect. Do you condone all terrorism or not, simple question?

 

Jewish Terrorists rock.
They are further advanced than other terrorists.

 

Good for you, openly supporting terrorism and ethnic superiority, not often we get the likes of you being so open about it. Do all Jewish Terrorists rock or just the terrorist scum that are part of the Jewish State?

 

probably all of them.
Oh and BTW, they are ethnically superior to most, if not all, others of the Human race.

 

Splendid then you support the Jewish Terrorist Scum who killed their own people on a ship filled with Jews escaping the Holocaust, I admire you honesty, but you will forgive me if I do not think killing Jews in terrorist attacks should ever be condoned!