RFK jr. losing more of his mind...

OK... I "listened" to some moron say that there's an argument that COVID 19 was ethnically targeted...

How much more stupidity do I NEED to listen to before realizing that's a person I don't want to be associated with?

Is there like a Subway card, where I need to have 5 punches before I get my free sub?

Much better for everybody if decisions are made early and the unserious people are eliminated...

 

The still thinking Left which tends to be on the red end of the political spectrum, and the reform “conservatives” will be supportive of RFK Jr.
Establishment Democrats and Republicans who have always leaned toward the sturdy brown end will of course reject this Kennedy.

“His base is nowhere near large enough to secure him the nomination, but his campaign does pose a threat to a Biden reelection because it stokes left-wing distrust in democracy. Believe it or not, liberals and conservatives are converging in conspiracism.”

“It’s popular in the media to denigrate conspiracy theorists. But as a person who grew up with a father who believed the CIA was torturing him, I’m not interested in belittling Kennedy’s devotees. There are many reasons to distrust the U.S. government. Vaccines are not one of them, but Kennedy’s appeal goes beyond his crusade against lifesaving injections.”

“Max likes Kennedy’s outreach across the political spectrum. He’s impressed by Kennedy’s background as an environmental lawyer and his criticism of U.S. militarism abroad. But he fears the media won’t let him win, by exaggerating his activism against vaccines. “The deck is stacked against him unfairly,” he said.

When I mentioned experts’ critiques of his vaccine claims and why I believe Kennedy is knowingly misleading people, Max agreed that falsehoods are harmful. “But,” he added, “I’d rather him be wrong and be able to have an open dialogue about it, instead of living in a culture where you mention it and suddenly you’re like, ostracized, or you’re a pariah because you questioned the mainstream.”
LOS ANGELES TIMES, Column: RFK Jr.’s left-wing appeal in L.A. is no joke, BY JEAN GUERRERO COLUMNIST , JULY 17, 2023 3:15 AM PT. (emphasis mine)

IMO, RFK’s base of support across the spectrum will grow quickly as the election approaches.

 

How much stupidity has come out of the mouth of Joe Biden and Donald Trump??? Yet we continue to listen to and side with them, no matter how idiotic they both get. Listening to someone is not the same as agreeing with them. And even if you decide that RFK is the devil because of some perceived anti-vax thing, the rest of his ideals are ones that are definitely worth listening to and demanding from the rest of our politicians.
I can't stand Trump or Biden, but I continue to listen to both, regardless of if I agree with them. I'll listen to anybody who has something to say, even if it is Hitler himself. It doesn't mean I agree with them.

 

He's a temporary fad.... He's Scott Walker...... He's Howard Dean...

If his last name was Thompson, he'd already be an afterthought...

 

An article using extensive quotes from some random idiot named "Max"?
But some of Kennedy’s other gym mates are excited about him, such as Max, a 31-year-old Santa Monica resident whom I met on his way out of Gold’s.
Wow! That settles it...

That is "possible"...
With RFK Jr. currently polling at 14.6% in the RCP Avg, it is theoretically possible that he could hit 17 or 18%...
Never say never...

 

That is what people were saying about Trump...

 

True that, but in general, Democrats are much less susceptible to con men....

Not completely, but much much less....

 

So WHAT?
The situations of Trump in 2016 and RFK in 2024 aren't even comparable (on any level)...
They are not even in the same universe...

 

Aren't they? All it was was the media's failure to gauge the level of dissatisfaction of the American people. People are fed up with the 'same old' from Washington. And that is what we are getting, from both Republicans and Democrats. It's the same BS over and over and over again.
I'm not saying it WILL happen, but I think saying it is impossible is not right either.

 

If the "same old" is competent leadership, I don't think so. But I understand why it's hard to adjust back to that after 4 years of nonstop shitshow...

 

When did the shitshow stop? It was a disaster under Trump, and has continued that way right through the Biden presidency. It is time for something completely different. I don't care if it comes from a Democrat or a Republican, or an Independent. If they have good ideas, lets give it a go, rather than continue with what the two parties are peddling that obviously is not working.

 

Actually it's current Democrats who have fallen away from the Kennedys (pro gender confusion, defenders of "deep state") that have sickening of the mind!

 

I would be curious to read your comparison between what you would call the greatest stupidity to have come from Trump, versus from Biden. I would not, personally, put incidental flubs, of Biden, on the same plane as intentional & repeated idiocies, as suggesting that disinfectants, or sunshine, might be effective ways to treat Covid-19. If you do equate the two, that would make me rate your comparison, as nonsense.

 

The Trump phenomenon is an aberration, not a natural law of politics. It happened because many on the Right, felt that their views had been deemed unacceptable by society, and because they have not accepted society's changes. So they wanted a throwback, to the "good ol' days." Hard to see, how that dynamic would apply to Democrats, and with respect to Kennedy.

Candidates with kooky ideas, generally peak, before their kookiness is well known. Again, in the modern Republican Party, is the exception to that rule, but I see no basis for believing that a "Democratic Trump" would succeed in the same way as the original. The Dem version of a populist, is Bernie Sanders-- quite a stark difference, from Kennedy.

I guess we will see, if the centrist Dems are willing to break from the left wing, in order to, in effect, put Trump back in the White House. I think that centrist Democrats, even if they object to some ideas on the left, have more sense than that.

 

I rate it on the fact that the American people are becoming more divided rather than more unified under their administration. Failure to unite is a failure of leadership. Sure,nobody is going to agree on everything, but if by the end of their term the country is more divided than when they began, that is a failure of leadership.
And most importantly, judging from the fact that we keep getting the same candidates, the division is by design.
That is why they are so desperate to discredit RFK, because his primary message is one of unifying and healing the divide. Neither the Republican or deemocratic parties have any interest in unification or healing, as division is how they maintain their power.

 

I had asked about your statement:

Josh77 said: ↑
How much stupidity has come out of the mouth of Joe Biden and Donald Trump???

Your reply does not really address that, at all. So, your answer, I should take to be, that you had not really meant your comment, the way that you had written it? IOW, that you had stated your opinion, about "stupidity" coming out of Joe Biden's mouth, less than intelligently?

Do you see any irony, here?

 

lol, do I really have to bring details of the stupid things Joe Biden has said? I could focus on that, if that is really what you want to hear, but we both know then you would say I am focusing on superficial nonsense.
What I am concerned about is leadership that unifies the country rather than purposely deepening the divide. If you want to focus on petty BS, I guess that is your right, but personally I find it a bit tiresome.

 

Mind you - give it time RFK Jnr just might outdo Trump with the “cures” for diseases. Especially since he was blaming the measles outbreak in Samoa ON THE VACCINES!

 

RFK Jnr will not “unite the country” not when he is a whack a doodle conspiracy theorist

 

I think we both also know that this was my point: that you were trying to equate "superficial nonsense," with "stupidity" and other things, which are of much greater significance, and should be of much more legitimate concern. If it is your argument, to say that it is all the same, on both sides, then yes, I would like to see what you would see as backing that view.

It seems, rather, that you are now changing your argument, to be about division, and leadership. Fine, so I will ask you to compare your assessments of the leadership of the last two administrations. If you cannot voice a comprehensive argument, condemning Biden's leadership, any more specifically than saying that people are divided, then this is a criterion that is so general, as to make it completely erroneous. By that measure, any time in U.S. history, the population is divided, it's the fault of the President. This is obviously ridiculous, yet it seems the new basis of your argument.

IMO, you are merely voicing some long held, personal opinion, which you have not subjected to serious, continuing trial, by current evidence. IOW, it is only your self-reinforcing bias. That is an insufficient basis for a serious debate argument; but sure, I have no objection to you registering your opinion. I had only been giving you an opportunity to show, if it was anything more definable, than your general dispositional outlook.

 

May I ask why Rump is emphasized.

 

lol, of course it is personal opinion. “subjected to serious, continuing trial, by current evidence”? What am I, defending a masters thesis?
if you have the time to put those kinds of arguments and studies together, have at it. I have a feeling I’ll probably still disagree with what you are saying though. If we disagree, we disagree.

 

I had simply meant that most people, once they have used a limited number of reference points, to develop an opinion, often stop noticing when things do not jibe with their opinion, only the instances when facts do confirm their held beliefs. This bias, obviously, is self-reinforcing, and so lacks credibility. The alternate way of thinking-- which I try, myself, to practice-- is to think of all of one's ideas, as merely working hypotheses. In this way, each bit of information that you are naturally exposed to, is noted and considered, as to how it compares to your presumptions, rather than being subconsciously sorted, and dismissed as unimportant, when they don't confirm with your expectations. Would examples be helpful-- or do you now catch my meaning?

 

You just described human thought and decision making. You think I am just rolling a die to make decisions? I get it, you don't agree with my opinion. You for some reason think I am just blindly flailing around, and think that since I do not love the Biden presidency, that I am obviously not thinking correctly. Sorry, not the case. You seem to think you have no bias. Uh huh. Everyone is biased when it comes to politics. That is just the way it is.
Give me your opinions instead of trying to describe how to think.

 

It's his rapper name. t-Rump.

Or it could be because that's what he is. One big rump.

Why does it bother you? He tosses out insulting nicknames like candy on Halloween. Shouldn't he get one too?