Rick Perry will be next President

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  1. DrSvensson

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    Look can you people stop arguing.

    All presidential candidates are controlled puppets.

    There is no freedom in the US. There is NO difference between the candidates.

    It is all a charade.

    The 2 contesting candidates will be chosen by the controlled media.

    Whoever wins the presidency will be the same as Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Gore, Bush, McCain, Obama..... all insiders.. all identical..serving corporate interests.
     
  2. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    Yet you ignore how the racist democrats have to use the race card every election because they can not run on their policies or programs
     
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    No Obama kept some of the Bush policies that worked. Raising taxes and Obamacare have nothing to do with Bush
     
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    False. The one contesting candidate is an incumbent president. The other GOP contender will be hand-picked by the Cheney/Rove machine.

    The candidate least likely to sellout to ALL the GOP special interests is Rick Perry. He's in the bag for oil but he is a practicing christian. The world leaders, including many "christian" ones who join hands and dance around the altar in the redwoods in Northern CA each year, praying to a statue in their pagan ceremony that kills care [they didn't say care for whom. I think they kill care for all of humanity but themselves and their immediate families], are not going to stand for a real actual man of spirit entering Office. That means morality will have to come to the negotiating table and that's like cryptonite to Cheney/Rove and all the other pagans who pray to the god of money.

    So Rick Perry is being nitpicked.

    And they're saying Herman Cain is the front runner now in the GOP..lol.. Really? A black man is the number one favorite of the far right eh? Meanwhile a black man in the Oval Office gets the ice treatment from GOP powermen.

    Tells you how "honest" the polling is as to the GOP frontrunners.
     
  5. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Ha,ha, that's the biggest joke I've heard. Your leaders with the help of the tea party ran on "job creation" in 2010 - reason so many won, and yet what have they made their main concern? "Abortion", "English the Official Language" and "Sharia Law not to infiltrate our courts" - all at the top of the list for most Americans, right? [​IMG]
     
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    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Has lying become so commonplace in the Republican circles that nobody pays any attention to it? I guess that's why you don't provide any links to your hilarious statements, there aren't any!

    Oh, yeah, I forgot - Obama wants to raise the taxes of the rich, Republicans want to raise the taxes on the middle-class - I guess you must be one of the rich - why you're whining about it.

    WASHINGTON — News flash: Congressional Republicans want to raise your taxes.
    Impossible, right? GOP lawmakers are so virulently anti-tax, surely they will fight to prevent a payroll tax increase on virtually every wage-earner starting Jan. 1, right?
    Apparently not.
    Many of the same Republicans who fought hammer-and-tong to keep the George W. Bush-era income tax cuts from expiring on schedule are now saying a different "temporary" tax cut should end as planned. By their own definition, that amounts to a tax increase.
    The tax break extension they oppose is sought by President Barack Obama. Unlike proposed changes in the income tax, this policy helps the 46 percent of all Americans who owe no federal income taxes but who pay a "payroll tax" on practically every dime they earn.

    GOP OKs Tax Increase Obama hopes to Block


    Oh, and you want to know the truth? (Not that it will keep you or all the other moronic Reps/cons from repeating the same lie) - Obama actually cut taxes more than Bush. How do you like that?

    Obama, The Bigger Tax Cutter than Bush
     
  7. mertex

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    True, many that showed a strong but false front in front of the country claimed they wouldn't take any Stimulus money, and ended up doing photo-ups with the jobs it created in their states.



    Federal money and Stimulus money are two different things. I was specifically talking about the Stimulus. And, here's an article that singles out some that refused to take specifically targeted stimulus.


    Another group of Republican governors, including possible contenders for the 2012 presidential nomination, have denounced the stimulus as a bloated behemoth. A handful of them caused a stir by saying they would turn down some of the federal money.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/23/us/politics/23governors.html?hp

    Well, considering that this thread is about Perry, it should be pretty obvious to the most casual observer.
     
  8. ptif219

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    No their main concern has been Obama's out of control spending and the deficit. The things you state have been way down on the list.

    Does nat matter what they want Reid will not pass it and Obama will not stop. The democrats are once again are showing they are the party of obstruction
     
  9. ptif219

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    So you show temporary things Obama is doing because it is an election cycle.

    Obama has taxed the middle clas with the EPA and regulations. When he taxes the rich it will hurt the middle class.

    Remember almost 50% of people pay no Federal Income Tax


    http://www.investorsinsight.com/blo...4/26/will-obama-tax-the-middle-class-yes.aspx
     
  10. Slyhunter

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    well
    http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/ how many of them do you think should pay taxes? I mean they can't afford to pay their rent but (*)(*)(*)(*) it all make sure they pay their taxes.
    Go back to the days of King Arthur where they executed you for not paying your taxes.
     
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    If you earn money or buy goods you pay taxes
     
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    Fair enough. Let me expand my earlier point: All GOP politicians, regardless of their current employment, will have their hand out for Taxpayer funds if it suits them. And often they go to great lengths to see an endless flow of Taxpayer funds coming their way [see Cheney's Blackwater and endless warmongering and bloated defense-contracting charges].

    So, again, how do you isolate Perry? Each and every single frontrunning GOP candidate is identical to him in potential and willingness to slurp up the gravy-train.

    Find another angle to nitpick him. This one has failed. I realize he scares the Rove machine. This is good. I like him better already, nitpicked and all..lol..
     
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    They sure don't mind spending when it comes to giving the wealthy their tax cuts?

    They are ahead of creating jobs and taking care of the people, the regular people, because we know they are Johnny on the Spot for the wealthy.

    Nice try at deflection. Everyone knows it is the Republicans who are mucking up the works. They are responsible for the country losing its credit rating - thanks to the morons like Bachmann who thought it wouldn't matter.
     
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    Don't think so, he started working on it long before his campaign started - that's just what Reps/cons assert because it made them look bad.

    Oh sure, that sounds like a parent telling his child - "This spanking will hurt me more than it will hurt you" - cutting out the tax cuts for the wealthy will create much needed revenue to help bring the deficit down.

    That's a bunch of BS - it was a one time only because of the many that were unemployed who got additional tax breaks. The wealthy get the tax breaks all the time - since 2000 when Bush initiated them.

    The 51% Zombie Lie
     
  15. mertex

    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    Geez, if you make below a certain amount, you are exempt. Reps/cons are heartless - Perry was right on that one. You defend the wealthy's tax cuts but whine because poor people aren't paying enough? They pay taxes when they buy stuff, you know, like gas, clothing, etc., so don't tell me they pay no taxes at all.
     
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    Well who bailed out the banks? Who bailed out the Unions?

    No it is not one time only it has been in the 40% range for years
     
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    50% are not poor. Nice try but you do not see the democrats are using the IRS as another welfare department to buy votes. Cain will stop that issue
     
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    Let me expand on my answer - where did I isolate Perry as the only one doing it? I was talking about Perry, making a point about Perry. I don't like to make statements that I can't back up with links, and since I was not talking about the others, I didn't check to see which ones did. I'm sure you will provide a link backing up your statement that all the Republican governors claimed they would refuse "Stimulus" money, and then took some to balance their state budgets.

    I'm not saying that the other Republican governors don't accept Federal funds, but though it seems like the obvious, I didn't check it out.


    Read my answer to your first statement, it still applies.


    Considering that Perry considers people heartless, that don't believe children of illegals should receive in-state tuition (most conservatives at the Florida debate didn't take kindly to it), and the fact that he thinks SS is a ponzi scheme that needs fixing (most sane people don't fix criminal behavior, they get rid of it), plus he exaggerated on the number of jobs he created in Texas, plus the fact that he doesn't even know when America fought its Revolution, I'm sure he'll still be the candidate for some. But, don't hold your breath, he's already on his way out, like Bachmann.
     
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    Ha,ha, Bush, did - I bet you think it was Obama! Wouldn't surprise me.



    Who did?

    Don't know what this statement is in response to. I didn't see anything in my quote (that you are quoting here) that has anything to do with percents. You should copy the person's statements when responding, so we know what you are responding to.

    Your statement here, doesn't make any sense.
     
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    mertex New Member Past Donor

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    You need to do some research instead of just taking Faux News at its word.
    If Democrats use the poor to buy votes, the Republicans use the rich to buy votes and control Congress - much worse scenario, unless you happen to be one of the rich, because they aren't going to trickle anything down to you.
    Anyway, it is toropoopoo, that 51% don't pay taxes - read for yourself.


    The 51 percent figure is an anomaly that reflects the unique circumstances of 2009, when the recession greatly swelled the number of Americans with low incomes and when temporary tax cuts created by the 2009 Recovery Act — including the “Making Work Pay” tax credit and an exclusion from tax of the first $2,400 in unemployment benefits — were in effect. Together, these developments removed millions of Americans from the federal income tax rolls. Both of these temporary tax measures have since expired.

    In a more typical year, 35 percent to 40 percent of households owe no federal income tax. In 2007, the figure was 37.9 percent. [2]
    The 51 percent figure covers only the federal income tax and ignores the substantial amounts of other federal taxes — especially the payroll tax — that many of these households pay . As a result, it greatly overstates the share of households that do not pay any federal taxes. Data from the Urban Institute-Brookings Tax Policy Center show only about 14 percent of households paid neither federal income tax nor payroll tax in 2009, despite the high unemployment and temporary tax cuts that marked that year.[3]
    This percentage would be even lower if federal excise taxes on gasoline and other items were taken into account.
    Most of the people who pay neither federal income tax nor payroll taxes are low-income people who are elderly, unable to work due to a serious disability, or students, most of whom subsequently become taxpayers. (In a year like 2009, this group also includes a significant number of people who have been unemployed the entire year and cannot find work.)

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505


    I bet most of the commentators on Faux News are not poor, and this is the crap they spew out.

    Gretchen Carlson, the Fox News host, said last year “47 percent of Americans don’t pay any taxes.” John McCain and Sarah Palin both said similar things during the 2008 campaign about the bottom half of Americans.

    Ari Fleischer, the former Bush White House spokesman, once said “50 percent of the country gets benefits without paying for them.”

    Actually, they pay lots of taxes—just not lots of federal income taxes.

    Data from the Tax Foundation show that in 2008, the average income for the bottom half of taxpayers was $15,300.

    This year the first $9,350 of income is exempt from taxes for singles and $18,700 for married couples, just slightly more than in 2008. That means millions of the poor do not make enough to owe income taxes.

    But they still pay plenty of other taxes, including federal payroll taxes. Between gas taxes, sales taxes, utility taxes and other taxes, no one lives tax-free in America.

    When it comes to state and local taxes, the poor bear a heavier burden than the rich in every state except Vermont, the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy calculated from official data. In Alabama, for example, the burden on the poor is more than twice that of the top 1 percent. The one-fifth of Alabama families making less than $13,000 pay almost 11 percent of their income in state and local taxes, compared with less than 4 percent for those who make $229,000 or more.


    http://wweek.com/portland/article-17350-9_things_the_rich_dont_want_you_to_know_about_taxes.html
     
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    You mean Bush started it Obama finished it. Obama bailed the auto unions. The GM bailout was for the Unions not GM
     
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    It was because of tax laws not the recession

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3622644...f-us-pays-no-federal-income-tax/#.TpygMpyncf0


    In recent years, credits for low- and middle-income families have grown so much that a family of four making as much as $50,000 will owe no federal income tax for 2009, as long as there are two children younger than 17, according to a separate analysis by the consulting firm Deloitte Tax.
    Tax cuts enacted in the past decade have been generous to wealthy taxpayers, too, making them a target for President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress. Less noticed were tax cuts for low- and middle-income families, which were expanded when Obama signed the massive economic recovery package last year.
    The result is a tax system that exempts almost half the country from paying for programs that benefit everyone, including national defense, public safety, infrastructure and education. It is a system in which the top 10 percent of earners — households making an average of $366,400 in 2006 — paid about 73 percent of the income taxes collected by the federal government.
     
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    How so? The Wall Street bailout was Bush's baby - you can't pin that on Obama. I know conservatives would like to shift all of Bush's bad doings on Obama, but the fact is it is his, his alone.


    Obama didn't bail out any unions, he bailed out GM, and that was the best thing he could have done. An American auto manufacturer restored - they've paid the loan back and didn't have to send their jobs to India - like Bush did. What are you whining about? Typical conservative maligning something good for America. Where's your so called "patriotism"?

    Oh, where did you get that silly notion? Don't tell me, Rush Limbaugh or Faux News? Figures.
     
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    From your link:
    About 47 percent will pay no federal income taxes at all for 2009.

    Either their incomes were too low, or they qualified for enough credits, deductions and exemptions to eliminate their liability.





    Also from your link:
    The $2,800 in credits exceeds the $2,769 in taxes, so the family makes a $31 profit from the federal income tax. That ought to take the sting out of April 15.

    Geez, they really are raking it in, aren't they? Wanna figure out how much the wealthy's credits exceeds their tax payment? I guess Perry knows what he's talking about when he called the Tea Partiers "heartless".
    How come you are not whining about that?

    Also from your link:
    Tax cuts enacted in the past decade have been generous to wealthy taxpayers, too, making them a target for President Barack Obama and Democrats in Congress.

    I don't have any sympathy for people who act so greedy.
     
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    Whew, that's good for us. The nest President is okay, because I don't even know what that is. But the next President would be something different. Have fun in the nest Perry.
     
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