Gun control ninnies don't live in the real world. I would encourage them to look up the terms "Castle Doctrine".
I don't care how fishy YOU think something is.... If someone is at the door trying to get in and my wife is at home alone, or with a baby, I personally want her to kill the idiot that thinks they can come into the house on her. He has NO RIGHTS in the house. Read it again.... NO RIGHTS. NOT ANY. Why shouldn't she be allowed to protect herself? Do you or anyone else know what's on the mind of someone that's willing to break the law and break in? I mean cause they are definitely willing to break the law right if they are willing to break in? How do you know what all their intentions are? As for being calm and calculated.... Good for her. Maybe it sends a message to all the loons out there that think they can go into someone else's house.... She should be able to stand her ground... I mean it is her ground right and she had EVER right to be there and the criminal has absolutely NO RIGHT TO BE THERE. Were you not taught that if a door is locked and you don't own it you maybe shouldn't go into it? Really? I mean come on..... If the dude is dead, then I hate that the lady now has to live with it, but honestly..... Its probably for the better of society.
I don't believe that anyone would want their wife to spend 20 minutes in the house instead of escaping with her infant. Every minute that she spent in her home was a minute that she kept her child in harm's way. This is why Castle laws need to be repealed. They are too easy to abuse. She knew the guy who wanted to enter her home. Instead of leaving with her baby, she stayed there for over 20 minutes, waiting, biding her time until he entered so that she could shoot him. How does this vendetta killing make her a hero? We all have a right to protect ourselves. We also have a legal and moral obligation to keep our children safe. She kept her child in harm's way for at least 20 minutes so that she could shoot that guy she didn't like. How did she "protect" that child? She should have left the home with the baby. What if she missed her target and they both ended up dead?
You can Monday morning quarterback the entire episode. You weren't there, the police weren't there, and I wasn't there. Was it raining outside? Were the bad guys standing next to her car? Was her baby naked and it was 45 degrees outside? Was it dark? You don't know the circumstances; all you have is a phone call and a news story to base your entire opinion on. Holing up in a room with one entrance is the *most* tactically sound idea of all the choices. Why? One way in, one way out. You cannot be ambushed by the potential threat hiding outside of the back door because someone is banging on the front door. You cannot be ambushed trying to climb out of a window while holding a bay. You cannot be taken by surprise because you are going around a blind corner in your house because the guy at the front door is trying to get as much attention so other potential threats are sneaking in through another entrance point. Doors are called the lethal funnel for a reason and they are the best place to defend yourself if inside of a house. Escaping, as you put it, leaves you very vulnerable while moving. As far as castle doctrine, it partially created to protect people in self defense situations from litigation by the aggressor or the aggressors family during a violent encounter. Many statutes that are castle doctrine protect the self-defense individual, if it is ruled self defense, from civil court.
You really don't get it do you???? My family or anyone else's has ABSOLUTELY NO OBLIGATION to protect someone that is breaking into the house. I have instructed my wife (and it sounds like this lady did the same) that if someone is trying to break in, to go to our bedroom, get the gun, and if someone comes into the room don't stop shooting until you run out of bullets.... I don't think she owes them even a warning because they don't have any business there. I want her to have EVERY advantage she needs to neutralize the problem with the least risk to her. Guess what? There isn't a way to get out of my house back there... Guess what else? She shouldn't have to get out of the house.... The people trying to break in shouldn't be doing so. If she leaves the house she has left its protection. A lot of people were raised just like me.... We don't go looking for trouble, but if someone corners us we will do whatever it takes to protect ourselves and what we have worked our a$$es off for. We can spend all day going over the what ifs, but there is no way you can justify that the people breaking in had ANY rights there so why do you continue to say the woman is guilty of something other than protecting herself and her child? I mean was or wasn't the people trying to come into the house even though the doors were locked? Isn't that against the law? Would you do it? Would you expect someone to blast you if you did? All I can say is if you don't want to get shot by most people..... Then don't break into their house.
Dude, first, with the way you're jawin' here you forfeit "the Duke" avatar. Second there is always more to the story than you (or I) know. Run away from her home, outrageous thought?! For those who would take another's right to arm. She called the Po-Po and they're good professional people but there more than twenty minutes away. Your bad actors were (I hear you) knocking (but you can't come in) that long right? This young mother did not create the circumstance she was forced to defend herself in and those two guys were covering each exit. The two bad actors with criminal intent put this woman and her child at risk of an uncertain if not terminal future. I would wish that these guys never tried to invade this woman's (really barely a woman at eighteen just legally so) home and the one was still alive. What was he doing with a 12" hunting (Kabar?) knife (in hand). You have any visitors come a knocking with a Kabar in hand? What is truly disturbing is you would make her a criminal for defending her life and home! Repeal Castle and SYG?! Truly an un-American position...really dude lose the avatar.
Believe it or not, Castle and Stand Your Ground laws are not an American tradition. They are new laws that aren't working and need to be repealed. There's nothing American about them. If you think that defending her home was more important than defending her baby then it goes to show the new American values of gun nuts. Instead of waiting 20 minutes for them to break into her door, while asking the cops if she could legally shoot them, she should have taken her baby away from the danger. It is just common sense. As for my avatar... deal with it.
Did your wife obey your commands, Sergeant? Sergeant, did you ever figure that if she misses her target, she'll only end up making matters worse, with possibly horrendous results? The World.. it ain't so simple.
Well the good thing about all your posts....you don't get to decide anything....the prosecutor, police, and the law does. Your flatulent posts have no bearing on the truth or matter of law. She done good eh?
The simple matter is that it's kind of hard for her to miss with a Mossberg model 500 shooting buckshot with a skeet choke.... (Point and shoot in the general direction is all it takes and there is 5 shots just in case....) Not to mention she is a better shot than me (proven during her handgun carry qualification) even if she was to choose any one of the handguns that we have in the house, not to mention that she has 15 shots to sling that way just in case she needs them.... "Oh yea another reason I favor no bans of large capacity magazines"..... The proof is in the pudding my dear.... I don't think she's going to make the situation any worst for anyone other than the scumbag that chose the wrong house to break into..... SO.... Any other excuses for her not to protect herself or have you gotten the picture yet????? If some scum decides that our house is the one they want to come looking for trouble in.... They will probably find it. Oh as for me being a sergeant.... LOL! good name calling.... Is that what you do when you see someone else makes more sense? I love my wife, and if she asks me what I think I tell her. If she chooses to do something different, I support that decision 100% no matter what it is. This just so happens to be one of the things she has asked me my opinion on as to what she should do IF the situation ever arose. SO... yea I gave her INSTRUCTIONS, where did I say "COMMANDS"? Giving instructions is the same thing as instructing someone.... Might want to try it some time...
I'm sure you have searched Wikipedia on this and become an expert on this matter by all means... I figure you are basing your comment from the statement about it being based on the English thoughts that a man's home is his castle so you feel it comes to us from England thus it couldn't have been developed in the US.... While I do not deny that this may be where it comes from, I ask you to reconsider your statement that this is not a "Traditionally American Law". SYG and the Castle Doctrine have both been very much a part of the American way since the old west. If a man used a gun in self defense there wasn't a single thing done to him by the law because it was self defense. Hint: that's SYG.... While the term may be from Old English.... The law has always been part of the American way of life. Go back to that Wiki document you got your information from and look at the third word...... Here ya go just in case you have trouble finding it again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine
Yep. If that's what she feels is the best thing to do in the given situation, because I am confident in her ability to handle herself if forced to do so....
Let me get this straight. If a group of guys enters your home when your wife is there alone, you'd be fine with her having an old-fashioned shoot-out with them?
What part of this don't you understand???? How can I be more clear than I already have been? PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING: IF she feels that her LIFE IS IN DANGER, and there is someone in the house I want her to take the gun, take it off safety, aim it center mass at the idiots and shoot until it clicks..... IS THAT CLEAR? I don't want her giving them a chance to even have a shot. Hence that's why she is hid in a room that is locked and holding the gun ready to fire. Not to mention the scum has to break into a locked door twice.... What do you think their intentions are? Hug someone when they get in there? Wow! Do you understand the words I have typed or is there anything else you want to know?
This is what is so sad about America; when somebody is fine with their spouse having a shoot out with a group of armed men rather than just flee and survive. Maybe somebody loves their big screen TV more than their spouse.
So your saying that I'm what's wrong with America.... Really? Because I choose to stand and fight for what is right???? You choose the side of the scumbag here and I'm what's wrong with America? You know it does amaze me that this country has made it this far... Too many people that would rather roll over and die than protect themselves or the ones they love in fear of hurting someone's feelings or being politically incorrect. I have lost several family members and friends in the military to protect people just like you, and sometimes I wonder if it might have been in vain.... What's your stand on serving in the military if you were ever needed? I'm sure I already know the answer, but just humor me... And I'm what's wrong with America... OMG that's funny.... As for loving my wife.... You will never and I mean NEVER know the love I have for that woman so don't even try that buddy.
Wrong, This is what's great about AMERICA, what is really sad is that there are so many spouses out there willing to leave their loved ones defensless, to die without any means to defend themselves or their families, or at least have the option to do so. Those kind of people disgust me because they would rather their family die at the hands of an intruder with no protection for some cockamamie poilitical belief. But really Pardy, you're just stirring the pot by making incediary comments, cause i know you are not uneducated enough to believe that every confrontation has an out, in fact most don't when you consider that generally apartments only have one way, in your home your children aren't always in the same place and gathering them up would take more time than retrieving a weapon, running with a child or trying to run with children will almost surely get you caught if the attack is against your defensless spouse. Finally not all confrontations are about your TV (property) and not all bad guys like leaving witnesses, Think man Think! All that being said, given the opportunity and availability of an escape route to avoid an armed conflict, I will, but having no option, I want all the tools available to me and my spouse to defend the family and that includes a firearm. Time for you to man up and admit you just like making silly comments to get a reaction.
I wouldn't choose the side of any scumbag. I would choose the side of my wife and tell her to get the hell out of the house instead of staying and possibly dying in a shoot-out with a bunch of armed intruders. Why would she need to stay, to protect the dishwasher? Do you realize how ridiculous that idea is? I actually think you're full of bs and wouldn't really want your wife involved in a shoot-out, but you're just too dogmatic about standing one's ground to admit it. I feel sorry for any guy who would say such a horrible thing about his own wife. I have served in the military so don't be lecturing me about how I've protected you.
So tell me this: if a wife is home alone and armed and a group of armed guys are breaking into her home and she has a chance to flee or stay and shoot, she should stay and shoot instead of fleeing?
See I'd like to think you are right about this.... No one in their right mind would be silly enough to truly think that way, but after being on this site for a short amount of time and seeing the things some of these folks think..... Well, I'm afraid that its true.... There are people out there that really THINK this stuff. Sad thing is, they have the nerve to say its Un-American to do the things that have made America what it is and honestly BELIEVE THE GARBAGE....
You know very well that is not realistic. No one said they want a shootout. In fact, I said I don't want them having a chance to shoot at all. Running doesn't work if there is no where to go. I don't know your house layout, but I dang sure know mine. I want my wife safe no matter what. If there was a way she could get away without having to shoot someone, then by all means that would be ideal because I don't want her having to live with it every day.... But you and I both know that's not always the case and I want her to know how to handle the situation if it did ever arise. As for serving.... Good, what war did you fight in?
You don't understand situational awareness or have any idea of tactics do you? Your statement is bare of factors that I could use to make that determination (in other words gimme more information to go on) So in leiu of said facts I would say she would have to make that decision based on the facts she knows at the time of the confrontation. I do know, she won't know the intention of the attackers because she is not a mind reader, I do know she would be within her rights to stand and fight, I do know tactically speaking at close quarters running is not a good option when the intruder/intruders are armed. Here let me give you one. Your spouse is in a 3rd floor hotel room, one door, there is a window at the other end of the room from the door. The 2 kids are asleep on the far bed and the spouse is on the bed nearest the door. The spouse has a 9mm W/15 round magazine and it is on the night stand. You are not expected back from your business meeting for several hours, the hotel is on the outskits of the city. (read long police response times) Suddenly someone pounds the door, alarmed your spouse calls the front desk and they agree to call 911. The intruder starts kicking the door and your spouse sees the frame breaking and the door opening. At this point what would you want your spouse to do?
They are working just fine. They are here to stay. Deal with it. It takes 20 minutes to break in a door? DELUSIONAL!
