Yesterday a first in my lifetime occurred. In the United States, numerous heavily armed, armored FBI agents and vehicles, accompanied by a partisan LW cable news camera crew, were dispatched in the pre dawn morning to arrest an old man with no criminal history of any violence, no firearms or permits, no history of attempts to flee justice... for speech crimes and no other offenses. After this arrest, the man was granted bail within 2 or so hours, and is now free until his trial. Stone had been under heavy surveillance for years and had been stating that he expected to be arrested for some time, leading to the reasonable conclusion that he had ample prior opportunity to destroy any "evidence" remaining in his house. Obviously I find the arrest excessive, but won't post more until reading the opinions of others. What do you think? Was the arrest of Roger Stone excessive or not? This is not a Trump thread or a Mueller thread. It is not an Infowars or Alex Jones thread. The topic is strictly, "was the arrest excessive or not given the charges and other facts and why or why not?" Any off-topic posts from anyone on any side will be reported as such.
More Mueller intimidation. There was zero reason for such a show of force except to give their propaganda arm, CNN an action packed exclusive segment for their next propaganda show.
Big message to all. The full weight of the American Justice System is coming down hard on these scumbags and those in the investigations sights had better be worried. I think it was a rather effective and extremely loud statement by Mueller and the FBI. Sometimes actions speak louder than words. Wonder if trump et.al. got the message?
This scumbag did nothing wrong until Mueller team interviewed him ,,, like pretty much all of the victims. It has now become a crime to associate with the wrong candidate and wrong political party. It's a sad day for the country. The show, 29 goons and a leak to CNN to have the cameras ready was set up to drive Trump's numbers down and as a $5B contribution to the campaign of the Democrat candidate in 2020. That you think it's great because it happened to someone you hate says more about you than it does about Stone.
That is beside the point. As a Trump supporter, you would rather have us talk about the arrest procedure rather than the important issue. The sixth close associate to Trump and a senior advisor to him on the campaign was arrested and indicted. The other five are convicted felons and facing jail time. White House press secretary Sarah Sanders was heard saying, "This has nothing to do with the President and certainly nothing to do with the White house." I have to hand it to her. You got to have balls to say something like that. The indictment contains this ominous statement. "After the July 22, 2016, release of stolen (Democratic National Committee) emails by Organization 1 [WikiLeaks], a senior Trump Campaign official was directed to contact STONE about any additional releases and what other damaging information Organization 1 had regarding the Clinton Campaign. STONE thereafter told the Trump Campaign about potential future releases of damaging material by Organization 1." Who had the authority to direct a "senior Trump Campaign official? Trump and his supporters constantly look for distractions because the real issues are getting extremely hazardous for Trump.
Roger Stone is the comic book villian of this melodrama. (Guliani is the Court Jester, and the Clown Prince plays himself). He's Lex Luthor. And you don't drop Lex a note asking him to kindly stop around at the police station! I wouldn't trust this guy for the time of day. Besides, he'd go out and whine in righteous indignation no matter how he got arrested.
The important thing is that as all of those indicted, talking to Weissman created an imaginary crime. Another important thing is that Stone was being investigated for trying to find out what information Wikileaks had, proving that the Mueller investigation had nothing to do with Russian collusion and everything to do with punishing a Washington outsider for daring to run for office and win. If Stone had to call Wikileaks to find out what they had, there couldn't have been collusion --- because Stone would have known.
True enough. What would you say about the people who lost an election to the Clown Prince? They must really be Clowns. Well, we didn't need an election to know that.
The DOJ tried to get Manafort for years unsuccessfully and finally gave up ,,, until they violated his rights with blatant FISA abuse. The activities in question --- activities he engaged in mainly between 2006 and 2014. Defrauding the US is failing to file foreign earnings and failing to file that he worked for a foreign government before the 2016 campaign. Manafort's problems had nothing to do with the Trump campaign. In fact the Mueller investigation is designed to prevent Trump from being able to hire anyone for the 2020 campaign. That in itself is a violation of election law. You might call it defrauding the US government --- specifically, the FEC.
I have reported the off-topic derail attempts by two of the usual suspects. Please do not respond to obvious derails. @thread Please limit this thread to discussion of the arrest of Roger Stone in comparison to the charges, and your opinion as to whether it was excessive or not and why.
Old news. Two years on, you Trumpsters aren't going to get much milage out of Trumpster Two Step anymore!
I don't want to live in a country where numerous SWAT-like FBI agents are sent with partisan TV cameras to arrest senior citizens with no history of violence, accused of speech crimes who would have surrendered themselves voluntarily if asked. Proof of excess is the speedy bond. NO ONE arrested like that should be indicted for crimes that qualify for instant bail, and the judge awarding it is almost certainly ideologically LW to boot. Would love to see the Clintons arrested for their many crimes against the United States and its citizens, but not like that. Anyone who wants a country like that is the hand that knots the noose, fires the oven, conducts the show trial, attaches the blindfold. No way around that. Will take heart that most of the support of this has been parroting LW sewer pipe rationalizations and not outright support of it expressed in their own words.
Old news, yet the Mueller temper tantrum continues along with the temper tantrums being thrown by morons jumping up and down in oversight committees. While they whine and cry, Trump is running interference, dealing with a worm in the Senate and a snake in the House and creating a better employment situation than the Affirmative Action Presidency could have hoped for.
Stone has been charged, he hasn't been convicted. We need to wait on the trial before we burn him at the stake. If he is found guilty then he deserves his punishment. If he is found not guilty then it is a sad day for our country. It's already sad due to the way Stone was arrested. He and his family didn't deserve that. I guess Mueller wanted to send a message showing his power.
Tantrum? Robert Mueller hasn't made a public statement since he was appointed. His "tantrum" must be the quietest "tantrum in history. As for the investigating committees...... During Watergate, the FIRST thing that Congress did was appoint a select committee. That was done early in 1973, before the standing committees took up the matter. Had that happened when Mueller was first appointed, as had happened in Watergate, those hearings would be over by now, and the report presented. Instead, McConnell blocked any serious investigations of the Trump Administration by the Senate, and Devin Nunes disgraced himself with his lickspittle fawing over Trump and his almost open effort to sabatoge and block any attempts to conduct any investigation.
It was totally over the top and done by mueller to try and stay relevant. Leaking to CNN was done to make the world see it. Mueller knows the end of his witch hunt is in sight
Yes it was excessive, and that's because they have a history of doing this sort of thing only with G.O.P members. So it is directed at party affiliation rather than based on issues that law enforcement normally takes into consideration for an arrest. It was political showboating.
The arrest was a powerful show of force, overkill, and to be sure of the impact the media was alerted so they could record it and show the world just how powerful it was. Had it been 1905 Stone may have been dragged from his home and hung in the town square. Stone, whether guilty or innocent, did not deserve to be arrested in such fashion. Mueller's tactics should give everyone a scare -- and I guess that was what Mueller wanted.
I concur. Stone has proudly proclaimed himself as the 'dirty trickster'. I think a very loud statement by Mueller was appropriate for such an individual.
wow. nice contortion. Defrauding the United States by conspiring with a foreign government to influence a federal election. And you are whining about a non existent FISA abuse that TRUMP"S DOJ isn't pursing in any fashion. Gee I wonder why?
