Romney pushed for individual mandate in Massachusetts health care law, emails show

Link:http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/...-massachusetts-health-care-law-144554113.html

This guys hypocrisy is staggering. What a nice vote pandering (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) bag the gop is forcing on us. Obama or Romney? I will abstain, thanks.

 

Conservatives are opposed to a big CENTRAL government, meaning the fed. We are not nearly as concerned about how liberals destroy their states like California, except to point at them and laugh (or cry like me from Chicago).


This is a simple concept, with exception that it eliminates most of the lefts strawman arguments on the topic.


Please stop ignoring this very simple concepts simply so you can call people hypocrites.

 

So its ok if the states forces you buy something, or bans something based on religious belief, thats all fine and "liberty loving" but if the federal government does the same its oppressive? What a stupid idiotic and ignorant way of thinking.

 

The argument that what is good for Massachussettes cannot be good for all states...because each state should chose, nowhere near eliminates most of the lefts strawman arguments on the topic.

It's a difference with an absolutely arbitrary distinction.

When you examine the financial effects of the mandate on the healthcare industry by state, and medical inusurance policy holders by state...whether each state does it indivudually, or the feds institute it nationwide...................it wouldn't destroy anybody's states, nor would it be different in any tangible/practical way

 

Romney doesnt care about states rights...

Massachusetts also proved that you don't need government insurance. Our citizens purchase private, free-market medical insurance. There is no "public option." With more than 1,300 health insurance companies, a federal government insurance company isn't necessary. It would inevitably lead to massive taxpayer subsidies, to lobbyist-inspired coverage mandates and to the liberals' dream: a European-style single-payer system. To find common ground with skeptical Republicans and conservative Democrats, the president will have to jettison left-wing ideology for practicality and dump the public option.

more advice...

Using tax penalties, as we did, or tax credits, as others have proposed, encourages "free riders" to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090730/column30_st.art.htm

 

conservatives might be....but we are talking about Romney here

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090730/column30_st.art.htm

 

To find common ground with skeptical Republicans and conservative Democrats, the president will have to jettison left-wing ideology for practicality and dump the public option.

gosh..the Public Option was dropped....but I dont remember any republicans jumping on board....

 

How come youre not praising Romney for this?

 

Wrong again.

All of the states adopting their own form of healthcare still isn't the same as a federal healthcare plan.

I simply don't understand why the concept of the 10th amendment is so hard to grasp.

Here is the difference. It is really, really, simple.

If I live in Illinois, and they pass a law that I have to buy health insurance or pay a penalty, and I don't want to, I have the option as a US citizen to pack up my belongings and move to another state. This is called liberty and freedom. Some states will enact laws like Massachusetts, some won't. The point is, these principles allow people to choose. A federal option, like all big central government, eliminates the option to choose whats best for the individual, and prevents competition and efficient implementation of policy against a process that establishes checks and balances.

Why even have individual states? Whats the point to a liberal?

 

Guess what percentage of Massachusetts residents had the option to move to Tennessee when this was passed?

Ill help you. 100%.

Guess how many American citizens had the option to move to escape Obamacare. 0% who also get to stay a citizen.


To the left... it isn't about providing healthcare. Its about power. Plain and simple, power to drive the collective over the individual how they see fit.

 

so why would romney be proposing this option for the nation as he clearly did in 2009?

 

praising him for lying about how to get GOP support, then lying about what he suggested?

 

I do not see it as hypocrisy, that's what the people of that State wanted, so he tried his best to give it to them....

I do not know how many Democrats were against the mandate, they did not say exactly. However the Dems sure seem to want that now...

 

He didn't.

He simply told the President to drop the single payer system, and explained that it wasn't even necessary based on historical evidence.

None of that means he condoned or supported the bill in whole or in part.

No matter how bad you want it to. How many quotes from Romney do you think I can find from around the same time that was opposed to Obamacare? And those quotes won't be conjecture.

 

so in his article titled "Obama could learn a thing or two about health care reform from Massachusetts."

he talks about the mandate glowingly....because he doesnt want that part adopted?

I must misunderstand, because thats just (*)(*)(*)(*)ing hilarious...

 

President Obama should learn from Mass....

the mandate works...

but he wasnt suggesting Obama adopt the Mandate???

seriously righties....just admit youre abandoning all principles to support this guy....because lying for him is embarrassing.

 

Romneys 2009 Oped was NOT titled...."Things we did in Mass that would be terrible for the federal govt to do"

 

From a financial standpoint, the individual mandate...is no different at the federal or state level, and it hasn't destroyed Massachussettes.

Listen....when Romney was promoting Romneycare...he stated "he hoped the federal government would adopt his model". Now he says it is the worst thing Obama has done.

I'm not a liberal. I hope you were referring to Obama or Romney, because that would be appropriate.

How many people do you know who do not have medical insurance?...but that's a whole nother story...

Anyway...You have more than one option...you don't have to move to another state that doesn't have the individual mandate, if you did, that's totally your decision and nobody would force you. Your other option is to not claim the tax credit people who have medical insurance qualify for.

BUT YOU HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE. How many people do you know who can afford it, but don't have it?.....any?.....

99% of the righties who are against the indvidual mandate, have insurance now, and wouldn't be affected by the mandate.

The GOP has presented this a matter of principle...and have not proven an economic detrement.