Ron DeSantis on Ukraine

1.) I have no idea where you got the BS that the Viet Cong were popular with the South Vietnamese people. That's simply untrue. Can I assume that you weren't even alive during the Viet Nam war?
2.) Saying Ukraine will run out of Ukrainians before Russians run out of Russians is similar to saying that North Viet Nam will run out of Soldiers before America will so America can't lose in Viet Nam.... huh?

 

My first thought was to take your post seriously and ask you where did you ever get the idea I thought the Viet Cong were popular with the South Vietnamese? But given past encounters, it's a case of , as Boon said to Otter," Forget it, he's rolling."

 

It was the poster you answered that said that. I was just joining in with you.

 

OK you replied to me, not him.

 

My bad... please forgive... that's why they put erasers on the ends of pencils.

 

Not really. If others are willing to give their blood we should be willing to give some treasure.

 

Vietnam was not spawned. It was created over time by ill-conceived strategy and tactics.

 

Give their blood? For what benefit to the United States? Better to spend on defending our own borders.

 

The cause of liberty anywhere is the cause of free people everywhere.

 

Fighting Russia in a war of attrition seems like a bad idea. Ukraine can never win this kind of war. And neither can the US taxpayer.

I have yet to see any war proponents describe a strategy for victory. Yet they expect the US taxpayer to sign a blank check.

 

Ukraine is not fighting a war of attrition. The attrition is primarily on the Muscovite side. Ukraine will win by a war of maneuver because Ukraine's forces are considerably nimbler than are Muscovy's.
As for the US taxpayer, the amount spent so far is nearly unnoticeable in our budget of over $6T.

 

Russia's army is a serious set of Keystone Kops... for those readers old enough to understand what that is. Serious incompetence.
Whatever the dollar numbers spent... they are defending the wrong border. It should be spent defending our own.

 

That sort of idealistic platitude should have ended with the Vietnam war.

How long can the American taxpayers and voters buy into this fighting for freedom BS. Decades apparently. And after Americans pay for and die for this freedom over and over did you ever see any gratitude?

 

No Americans are dying. And yes, there was plenty of gratitude in Afghanistan until we abandoned our allies.

 

There is no dollar figure that can affect our border until our broken policy is replaced.

 

I did. When I returned from Iraq, we deplaned at an International Arrivals gate in Atlanta. We were met by a crowd of hundreds that welcomed us, shook our hands, and thanked us. Very different than the Viet Nam era.

 

I was referring to gratitude from the recipiants of our assistance to obtain "freedom" -- which in this case would the people and current government of Iraq. Are they grateful?

 

Tough question. They really have no reference point like we do.
- There was a young kid that cleaned our barracks. His dad was murdered by the terrorists. He walked five miles each way to work for a few bucks to support his mom and sister. Was he grateful the bad guys were gone? Yes, but he was still too interested in survival to celebrate us.
- My "I-T" (Interpreter Translator) was a great young guy. His fiance had been murdered by Sadaam's sons. For helping us, his relatives started being assassinated. After I came home, a bunch of us tried to get him sponsored to immigrate with his mom and sisters but to no avail. He lives with them in Australia now. He's grateful for what America did, but he explained something to me that tempered his gratitude. He said, "We have no heroes. All our heroes died thousands of years ago. You Americans have Astronauts, Bush, and John Wayne. We have no heroes."

Its nothing like what the French celebrated when we liberated them from the Germans. Bad times were over and they could be happy again.
It was nothing like other wars that had a beginning and an end. Life in Iraq still sucked. They were happy that Sadaam's horror was over... but when they wanted a mail service, it still wasn't there. When they wanted ice, they still went out and gone some cold stuff... that was brown.

But in their own way... yes... they were grateful. It's difficult for an American to understand.

 

That's why they have to delude themselves that Ukraine can win this.

It can't. So instead it's a meatgrinder.

 

Saving the entire world is an unrealistic goal. Even the USA can't afford that. The so as we pick and choose what it is we ill spend our national treasure on, we would be best served to do things that will at least help US a bit.
But now, we are spending, spending, spending defending Ukraine's borders while neglecting our own. And that's just WRONG. 100,000 dead Americans (from fentanyl) attest to that.

 

Vietnam is a direct result of policies inspired by that quote you like to bat around...

 

We're not saving the entire world. We are helping those willing to die for their freedom.
Fentanyl is not a money problem; it's a policy problem.

 

A lot of truth there. But it is my firm belief that the war in Ukraine will end when China invades Taiwan. I believe that the purpose of the Ukraine War is a JOINT one by the Russia-China TEAM. That its purpose is to deplete western (especially the USA) stock of war materials to expedite the successful invasion of Taiwan by China. Once that goal is met, Russia's job will be done and the war will end. China will expand its holdings in the world and the Russia-China TEAM will flourish. The BIG PICTURE MISSION will be done... well... until he next step for the TEAM's global conquest (you think China's massive acquisition of US farmland is an isolated act and NOT part of a bigger PLAN? Really?)
Russia isn't stupid. Direct confrontation with NATO would destroy much of the world. Russia and China have no desire to lord it over a wasteland.
One step at a time... one step at a time...

 

We disagree. The policies diverged from the vision.

 

They're not that organized.