Ron Paul is Against Licensing Doctors

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  1. Blackrook

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    Ron Paul continues to amaze me. At last night's debate he said doctors were protected by licensing statutes. It appears that Paul thinks his only profession should be unregulated to the point that anyone with the notion can lease an office and start practicing medicine, even on a high school education.
     
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    What?! First of all, you show no link to a quote. Second of all, your statement makes no sense. You mention that Ron Paul states that doctors were "protected by licensing statutes" (again, I'm not sure of the context that this reference is under), and yet you construe this with be "unregulated"). Having a license for X, Y and Z, BY DEFINITION, means that X, Y, and Z are being REGULATED. Thus, I fail to see the argument that you are trying to get across.

    It is a well understood FACT that physicians are undoubtedly the most heavily regulated professionals in our society.
     
  3. Jack Ridley

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    God forbid people should try to heal the sick! God forbid someone should try to create jobs!
     
  4. Clint Torres

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    If this is true, you all better vote him in quick, he is getting very old, and seems like demential is kicking in. After 2012 that it could be Azlhimers kicking in.
     
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    Because Lord knows that our only 2 choices are government regulation and complete anarchy... :fart:
     
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    "You must always start walking with your left foot" - Gov regulation.

    "Why does it matter what foot we start walking with? Show us in the constitution where it says you can dictate this." - Constitutionalist.

    "You don't want to step with your left foot? You must also want to contaminate our drinking water, get rid of the fluoride, fire police, firemen, and teachers. Kick orphans into the street, drown puppies and kittens, and have complete ANACHRY IN THE STREETS!!!." - BIG Gov supporter.
     
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    If a person voluntarily allows another person to try to heal him from an illness, why should this need a piece of paper signed by a bureaucrat. What makes you think the bureaucrats know what their doing? What business is it of there's who I allow to doctor my body. In a free society, I can let anyone do anything with my body that I please.
     
  8. perdidochas

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    If the states stopped requiring licenses to practice medicine, in no time, groups would start up to certify doctors. Yes, some stupid people would go to quacks, but it wouldn't take long before the industry regulated itself. Same with prescription drugs. If I were a pharmacist, I wouldn't fill a potentially dangerous prescription for a patient unless i had some kind of proof that the prescription writer was a doctor.

    Lawyers regulate themselves with BAR organizations, doctors would just have to change their board regulations (their are currently private organizations called medical boards that certify doctors in specialty areas, it wouldn't take much for them to also certify GPs)
     
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    then you are not describing a free society, but an anarchic society.
     
  10. Shangrila

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    Two points to clarify these misconceptions. Please read and pay close attention to what Dr. Paul is actually saying.


    http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/health-care/


    http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2011/09/gop-debate-transcript.html
     
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    God forbid that you should open the door to ANYONE - have you SEEN the twaddle being touted as "cures" on the internet? These people would then be practising medicine - maaaaate - better you than me is all I can say
     
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    Indeed RP believes "anyone with the notion can lease an office and start practicing medicine"!

    That's what being a "Libertarian" MEANS!
     
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    Ron Paul is irrelevant. I don't care what he thinks.
     
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    And guess what? That's perfectly legal. On the other hand, it's not legal for the to use ACTUAL medicine like prescription drugs
     
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    People will grasp at straws in their desperation, and I doubt that will ever change, regardless of licensing.
    As always, its ignorance as the culprit, not Gov mandate.
     
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    I posted the links. Its not what he said, not what he implied, far from it.
     
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    You don't live in a "free" society. You live in one with liberal amounts of liberty, but the "freedom" you seek is minarchy, something the Founding Fathers never intended.
     
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    How is a "minarchy" any different from what the US Government was after US Constitution was adopted?
     
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    this post isn't gramatically correct enough to communicate a point. try again, and please proof read.
     
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    Dumbest thing I ever heard.........
     
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    Something we agree on finally, Margot. That statement by Blackrook is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

    Let's see. With the current wonderful system we get to see medical doctors, chiropracters, naturopaths, homeopathists crystal therapists, aroma therapists, psychologists, Indian shamans, and a host of other frauds. Oh, golly, I feel so protected.

    Add to that the fact that I have met doctors in my work who were alcoholics, sexual predators, and drug dealers who were having no significant problems keeping their jobs. One of the drug dealers did have to have another doctor co-sign her prescriptions for two years while she was on probation. When the prosecutor suggested she lose her license the defense countered with, "She wouldn't have any way to earn a living." Well, golly. A few doctors were banned from the local public hospital but nobody would say why.

    No, the licensing procedure seems to primarily protect doctors from complaints and misconduct. Any complaints against doctors are a secret. If you file a complaint you'll never even find out what happened.

    Blackrook didn't post a link so I thought I'd give one. Here's something Ron Paul says:
    "Letting the doctors call the shots in Paul's eyes would mean giving them the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance companies to supposedly lower the cost of medical care. He also advocates for reforming licensing requirements to allow nurses and doctors to perform more basic functions, increasing access to care and again lowering costs."
    http://www.medhealthinsurance.com/ron-paul-healthcare.htm

    Ooops. It doesn't sound like Ron Paul wants to do away with licensing. Could it possibly be another lie from the left?
     
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    Ron Paul isn't just against the 21st Century. He's against the 19th Century.
     
  23. Margot

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    Well we could also perform an appendectomy on ourselves..

    Ron Paul seems to be taking on all the traits of a kook..

    Have you ever filed a complaint against a physician? Check out sanctions against doctors in your state's LLR board.

    I thought highschoolers outgrew Ayn Rand.


     
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    well, ron paul is for individual liberty, and that is often not popular with our wise government overlords, nor with our wise liberal friends.
     
  25. PatrickT

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    I have to take it back, don't I? You were so upset with the prospect of me agreeing with you, you had to follow Blackrook down totally unsubstantiated blathering nonsense.

    And, you ignored the article indicating that Blackrook was lying in the OP. Instead, you just follow up with more lies.

    Taking on the traits of a kook, Margot? It's sad when hatred rules.

    The prospect of do-it-yourslef surgery mostly comes to mind with socialized medicine. Pulled any of your own teeth lately?

    No, I mostly just arrested doctors and watched them scurry back to their practice. Of course, I knew patients who filed complaints. None seemed to find out what, if anything, had happened.

    I did like your highschooler jab. Stupid, but cute. Actually, I graduated high school shortly before Atlas Shrugged was published.
     

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