Roy Moore And The Dangerous Rise Of Christian Nationalism

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  1. Renee

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    Almost every premise that you try and state as fact is just what the trump lovers do. Who” admits the rest of the media is for the left? “Why do you say something so silly. I guess Breitbart is your source. When newspapers win Pulitzer Prizes is for their reporting they are legitimate. What has the Washington Times and Breitbart won? Soon you will be saying that the Pulitzer’s are a liberal conspiracy.
    Trump one said that his supporters would defend him if he shot someone on fifth Avenue and he is right and you validate it. Trump says things and they are on tape and Twitter and yet you say they make up things. Trump tweets almost every day and when the tweets are quoted we are accused of making them up. Thanks goodness you’re only in a small minority of Americans who are being controlled by this buffoon
     
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    The Obama economy growth rate was actually falling off when Trump was elected. And the Obama economy is the only economy to never have generated a read gdp growth rate above 3%. The average was ~ 2% total and ~ 1% productivity. That's pathetic. The stock market tripled from a GFC low. And the reason is that the Fed held interest rates at ~ zero so the stock market was the only place to get a return.

    The rest of your post is just dumb. Sorry - but it's a perfect example of Trump Derangement Syndrome.
     
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    That's what the smear campaign would have you believe.
     
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    Sure it is a smear campaign along with the one aim at Trump who we have his own words on youtube.
    Yes indeed four or five women can not be believe.

    I do give the man credit for asking the mothers of the very young girls when he was in his 30s for permission to date them........lol

     
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    There is only one who alleges sexual misconduct.
     
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    One of the first things usually thought in economy lectures in universities is year ends do you understand when the Obama economy ended? It can't be right after he left office. In any event I don't personally support Trump but he has done great on the economy some if not majority of the growth is definitely down to him no doubt. Economy policies and cutting regulations usually takes time to take effect so lets be rationale in our views instead of blind partisanship calling people dumb is an act of dumbness in itself and adds no value to the debate.
     
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    It absolutely can be - when the confidence of the business community has a significant upturn and they have the money available to quickly grow their businesses.

    I called the personal attacks and insults on Trump dumb. Those insults add nothing.
     
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    I watch and read just the normal news and of course in trying to confirm it is true, run into those problems called facts. I told you your affiliation with Democrats is curable. I can offer you a few awesome true books and you ought to start out with this book.

    Look up those pulitzer prizes and they are not so much all won by a particular media nor by one media star. They are all over the place so there is no reason for you to cite that as meaningful. I get Breitbart as one of my dozens of sources by tend to delete it from my mail since I get the truth from other sources.

    You must think we are silly to think we would approve the president murdering humans no matter where they are found. Trump tweets are record. But one tweet was not his but a lawyers posting supposedly for Trump.

    First I must describe the duties of all presidents so we can try to decide if Trump does well.

    Let me know which of his above powers and duties you want to attack him over.

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    William Edward Simon (1927-2000) was a businessman and a Treasury Secretary during the Nixon and Ford administrations; he also wrote A Time for Reflection: An Autobiography and Time For Action. ("A Time for Truth" was supposedly ghostwritten by libertarian author Edith Efron.)

    He wrote in the Foreword to this 1978 book (RD condensation 1979), "What I had learned, above all, was that the country was in a precarious state, that its very cornerstone, economic and political liberty, had been seriously eroded... the reason for discussing economic issues is... to inspire a national awareness of the connection between economic and political freedom. The connection is real and unbreakable. To lose one is to lose the other. In America we are losing both in the wake of the expanding state. That was my constant thesis as Secretary of the Treasury, and that is the theme of this book."

    He argues that "freedom... isn't a presence but an absence---an absence of governmental constraint." (Pg. 6) He notes that 130 million man-hours were being spent "filling out bureaucratic forms" (Pg. 37), and asserts that "40 years of liberal 'compassion' has created a politics of stealing from productive Peter to pay nonproductive Paul, creating a new class of Americans which lives off our taxes and pretends that its institutionalized middle-class pork is all for the sake of the 'poor.'" (Pg. 59) He adds, "Numerous other social programs also subsidize the middle class." (Pg. 70)

    He urges that "Businesses must cease the mindless subsidizing of colleges and universities whose departments of economics, government, politics and history are hostile to capitalism and whose faculties will not hire scholars whose views are otherwise." (Pg. 78) He also opines, "The only thing that can save the Republican Party... is a counterintelligentsia. Without such a reservoir of antiauthoritarian scholarship on which to draw, it is destined to remain the Stupid Party and to die." (Pg. 81)

    Simon wrote in the aftermath of Watergate, and prior to the Republican resurgence in the Ronald Reagan era; his voice was nevertheless quite influential, and is still of interest to conservatives (and perhaps some libertarians) today.
     
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    LOL unlike Moore I know I was not dating young teenage girls when I was in my thirties even before I got married even with their mothers permissions.

    Nothing wrong is there with such a 30s year old man dating 14 to 17 years girls and I am sure if it came to your own family you would have no problem with it.
     
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    Your ignorance is of your own making.
     
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    I have read Democrats going back to Clinton and tell you upfront, they act like kids must be sexually educated so no wonder so many 12 year old and up have sex. Democrats permit it.
     
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    Few adults admit to such things. Moore did not admit it. So why is he guilty?

    Since Alabama then had the age to marry set by law at 14, and since we do not know what the woman looked like at that time, and since some 14 year old kids can pass for 21, just how much blame is on Moore, given he has never been charged.

    What is so spooky is why did there suddenly show up a few middle aged women to start making such claims. I suspect Moore has been with his wife over 35 years so why has no complainants came up till recently?

    Recall how Hillary got a child rapist off the hook and you democrats applauded her?
    http://www.factcheck.org/2016/06/clintons-1975-rape-case/

     
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    I appreciate you validating my point.
    Have a nice evening.
     
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    Yes indeed and we democrats permit 14 years old girls to date republicans assistant district attorneys.

     
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    Was her Mom a Democrat? Was Roy Moore then a Democrat?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore#Elections_and_travels


     
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    Yet you are against Roy Moore who then was a loyal Democrat. Go figure.

    I stand with my earlier comments on what I have experienced on forums.
     
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    How many years have you been a very loyal Democrat?

    I put in 24 years supporting the party. More if you count my years prior to being 21. My family was intensely loyal to Democrats.
     
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    The Founders did try to persuade Canada to join with the States during the Revolutionary War. The second incident you are referring to was due to the British invading the USA in the War of 1812. The Founders did not start or even want that war. The Bloody Brits did.
     
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    Ironic given that you just made a similar derogatory accusation in post #561 above.
     
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    And there is no proof of that.
     
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    Sorry as his own statement that he did not date young girls without their mothers permissions in fact was a clear admission that he did indeed date young girls into his 30s.
     
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    When Moore married his wife after a whirlwind romance, she was 24 and he was 38. Men have forever tried to tag the young hottest women.

    Look at all the Democrat teachers getting arrested for molesting the boys they teach. I am talking not of one or two, but they are all over this country. They seem to believe they have a license to molest teens.

    Moore then was still a Democrat so perhaps he did have their bad habits. I dunno but as to what he has done as a Judge, I greatly admire the man. As old as the charges are, either put him on trial or give it up. He has grown children And his wife is still a decent looking woman. Face facts, this is fairly normal dirty Democrat tactics. Moore should have been well steeped in the dirty tactics and pulled a rabbit out of his hat.
     
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    Sorry wrong we had a very strong wish to take Canada from the very beginnings and saw the war of 1812 as another excused to do so. True our invasion did not work out and we even ended up losing Detroit but it was not the result of not trying to seized Canada in both wars.

    A large part of the congress in fact was part of the "War Hawks," a group of Congressmen from the south and west, loudly demanded war.
     
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