Rudd the dudd speaks the truth for once...

Maybe the he is getting ready for a challenge?
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8380412/rudd-calls-for-labor-party-reform

 

Krudd is an authority on factional intrigue, but when an institution is owned by trade unions, corruption, dysfunctionality and dissatisfaction are inevitable.

 

Only if he is planning on challenging for Abbott's job.

There is only one Party leader reading the 'positions vacant' ads this weekend. It isn't Gillard.

 

It's further proof that the nature of the union's existance within the ALP, and thus the ALP's core, is fundamentally unhealthy as a system to them. Since they are in charge of government then its not a good sign, and does explain why the ALP make a mess out of nearly everything they touch. I don't think though that this alone is enough to give Rudd any leverage for a move even if like that ex-HSU guy has to step aside and looses the seat in a by-election. Hopefully the ALP have another crack under the surface waiting to snap and Rudd is positioning himself to take advantage of it.

 

He may well be, but will he win? I do not think so. However, what he is calling for in the Labor ranks, Should have been carried out years ago. Labor is a party living in the past. Their so called progressive policies have been other party policy for years, other than that they are simply trying to change policy to say, 'Hey, look at me, look at what I have done' The Labor party needs a new leadership, and I am not talking about the PM.

He is calling for a change in the Labor executive, and he is right to proclaim labor has become a body of factions. The Coalition has also been seen to becoming a factional party as well. However, it has not become as apparent or as fast as the Labor party.

This should indicate the country is not run by the government but by a much smaller group of people in the background. Far less than was elected.

 

Oh bugs care to prove that silly claim you keep making???

 

How does the OP in any way, at all, relate to Rudd challenging for leadership?

Everyone and their mother is calling for Labor to return to a Hawke/Keating "reform era" government.

 

It is my opinion.


An opinion based on consideration of current circumstances

Tony Abbott overtakes Mark Latham as the most unpopular Opposition Leader in living memory
But it was even worse news for Tony Abbott, who, after a concerted effort, has finally overtaken Mark Latham as the most unpopular Opposition Leader in living memory.

The dramatic improvement in Julia Gillard's personal ratings provided a much needed shot in the arm for a prime minister who can no longer be described as "embattled"
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...in-living-memory/story-e6frezz0-1226206927771

 

It is known that Rudd would challenge if he knew he could win. Under the present executive he would not stand a chance. He has always knows that he needs to change that. However, you are correct that there is no statement of Rudd challenging, It is simply that, he would if all the blocks landed in the right place.

However, this does not detract that the Labor executive does need to be changed, the dinosaurs of the Labor executive need to go. Labor, as in the coalition, have not been able to come up with their own policy for sometime now. Isn't it about time Australia free itself from the dark ages and begin to examine far better policy, or are they going to continue to ride the same donkey until it dies?

 

Thanks ...opinions are like a$$holes everyones got one...yours is not fact so dont push it as such.

 

Yes - just my opinion.

But so many other people share it:

Abbott's positively negative
The Abbott approach of angry oppositionism has reached a point of diminishing returns. Three developments this week further demonstrate its limits: the passage of the mining tax, the events in the Coalition party room, and Labor's increased margin in the House through the change in Speaker
http://m.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/abbotts-positively-negative-20111125-1nz5j.html


Abbott leads the unpopularity race
Even worse for Abbott, he was exposed for not having any industrial relations policy. Here Australia is, going through the biggest industrial dispute in a decade and no one could find an answer for the Coalition.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...npopularity-race/story-e6frezz0-1226205211458

 

finding two newspaper articles dont make it the truth bugs...

Truth is that it will be a long drawn out battle, a battle made longer by the underhanded, traitorous and sneeky backroom deals being done by labor. End result is NOT in doubt though...Labor will LOOSE the next election even if the Lib party had mickey mouse leading it...

 

Any politician would challenge if they knew they could win.

This is a complete non-story.

So you want a reforming ALP government do you?

Whitlam/Hawke/Keating, that type of government?

I'm shocked and amazed efjay!

 

Got any links?

By golly how much must Gillard and O’Lemon hate each other.

To have your Foreign Affairs minister come out and say all this, to give Abbott ammunition to cover his own failings, god she must hate him with a passion (made worse by the fact more people like the little Dudd than her!!)

 

Well, DUH. Thing you do not see is that he has already had the job, and that he still does have support within the executive. If he could remove some of those power players from the executive, you will see a move from Rudd. That is a given, he is chomping at the bit for a change somewhere, due entirely as he is the best known political figure in the Labor party, for obvious reason.

As for the content of the story, no, it is not a non-story. Rudd is actually publicaly stating what is being said behind closed doors. Now should there be any moves behind the executive, he will be able to truly claim he was one of the major factors that brought it about. Gaining some more public support from something that has really been nothing of his making.

What is it you are asking? Should there be reform in the ALP Party? OR reform of the Labor government? Maybe you are asking if I think the ALP should reform it's policy? Please clarify your question to what point of reform you are describing?

What? Do you think it is any different now? No, I believe as many within the party, should move away from this type of leadership and government. Problem is while the party executive remains the same, nothing will change in the government, and most of these executive members are the people who brought about your scary Whitlam, Hawke and Keatings days to you. LOL

I don't know why you could be, it is simply, what some within the party are calling for, REAL change, not just the faces.

 

"Rudd would challenge if he knew he could win". What an amazing insight into the political machinations of the Labor party, what would we do without you? Labor will not change PM again in so shorter time. It would just flat out kill the party and everyone with any sense (including Rudd) is well aware of this. That being said he of course wouldn't want to rule out becoming leader again in the future. But certainly not before the next election, that is quite frankly the stupidest suggestion anyone could possible make for the ALP. The only purpose that would serve is to lose the ALP the election, which is why efjay and co think it would be a brilliant idea. Fair enough, they want the ALP to lose.

There is nothing at all in that article that hints at a prelude to Rudd making a challenge. Nothing at all. It is a non-story, and just a poor excuse for efjay to once again have a rant about Kevin Rudd and attack the ALP.

Yeah, I thought you were efjay and that is why I asked the question. I'm not really interested in your answer so nevermind.

"Scary"? Right... Returning to progressive reform instead of centre right populist politics and factional squabbling is generally the gist of it garry. It's a fairly common criticism. Yes... most of the "executive" are the same people they were nearly 40 years ago, well done garry!

Again, sorry buddy I thought you were efjay.

 

EARTH TO ZIGGY

Labor is going to LOOSE the next election not matter who leads it.

 

"Lose" mate... It's "lose". Seen you make that mistake a few times now.

As always, thank you for making a valuable contribution to the discussion.

 

Gee, obviously go around the world thinking you where so smart. Seeing as how I agreed with you, It would be that you are now attempting to pick a debate with something you think you can win. LOL, What would the world do without you?

Are you that idealistic, you think Rudd would not try? Please help us, if all ALP supporters consider this to be true

So, you consider the Labor executive and a few political commentators as STUPID? It has been tauted by far more important people than you.

LOL, Did I dispute this? Oh, that is right, I am spanking your butt elsewhere so you are attempting to pick a fight over something, that I agreed with, who looks stupid?

LOL, JUST, LOL

So, you agree with my point? Sorry, I got the wrong impression from your question. That is why I said you considered it scary. Progressive reform is definitely needed and it would seem those very same people, the power brokers of the executive have hung on too long. Something needs to change before it destroys the entire party.

again, LOL.

 

Yes ziggy i used the wrong word but the message was right..labor is going to be wiped out at the next election

 

"Rudd would challenge if he knew he could win".

It's quite simple. If Rudd challenges the incumbent PM for the leadership, Labor is 100% garunteed to lose the election.

Now I'm sure efjay will come in and say "but they are already", or something equally witty.

Never the less, however much some people might want Rudd as leader again, they want to remain in government more.

So no, there will not be a challenge. It is a thoroughly stupid suggestion that there should be a challenge.

Yes there has been speculation about a challenge from political commentators, it does not mean that it would not be a completely stupid thing for the ALP to do.

Anyone seriously suggesting that it would be in the ALPs interest to change leaders for before next election is an idiot.

I understand why efjay suggests, because he wants the ALP to lose and that's fine.

You're not "spanking my butt" anywhere garry, do grow up.

Now you've got me curious, what "progressive reform" should the ALP be pursuing?

If Kevin Rudd "stabs Julia in the back" and then goes on to WIN the next election, I will gladly eat my words, and my hat.

 

Well, I am glad you straightened us all up on that one. I was always under the impression that the Labor party did what they wanted, not what you tell them. Yes I am being sarcastic, This is all purely your speculations and opinions. None of it is fact and can not be substantiates. NONE.

And you know they will not be re-elected if this occurred, HOW?

So, in your considered opinion, after listening to all available information and machinations, you believe Rudd wont challenge? OR anybody will not challenge?

So, you continue to state, But It us only your opinion that this will not happen, isn't it?

HOLLY CRAP, so you call several party members in the ALP IDIOTS? No, it could be necessary IMO.

You must be kidding? You do not see that the ALP has to join the ranks of economic reform to begin with? Join, Hawk, Keating and (yes, even though you hate him) Howard. Instead of trying to further entrench the Australian economy on a resource sector, which they will bleed dry (and I am not discussing those very controversial new taxes). leaving the country in a position despair. Australia, would seem to stand once again on the cusp of something that could really create far better economic ability and credibility, If handled correctly. However, should they continue on the course they are going, with a High standard of living that is not supported by the global economy. Well you can imagine. There are also many social reforms that are not only beneficial but required for Australia to become a more equitable and stable country in the region. JUST FOR A START.

I do not think you will need to eat your hat. Only because of what I stated in my post. I think this carbon TAX or POLICY whatever you want to call it will impact at the wrong time for the ALP. The hope for labor is to soften the initial blow enough to get votes enough for re-election. IMO, they have done their calculations wrong, and will suffer the repercussions, and on a personal note, I know a few Labor members who think the same.

 

lol Yes garry it's my opinion and I maintain it. Anyone who seriously believes that throwing out the incumbent PM for Rudd would help the parties chance of re-election is a complete moron.

Bring me interviews of ALP members saying it would be in the interests of the party to replace Gillard with Rudd for the election, and I will call them an idiot, no problems at all.

As usual most of your post doesn't make sense.

Without being specific your call for reform is completely redundant.

Serious question, is English your first language?

 

LOL, What can one say, I bow down to your far better understanding of human nature.

Oh, I see. you want policy. sorry but you will have to pay me a great deal of money to produce policy for you. Understandably if you can not understand what I am talking about it is obvious that you would not be able to comprehend what the reformist would need to do. So yes it is lost on you, I can see.

Seriously, what has that got to do with you?

 

Thank you.

But seriously, any time you would like to provide evidence of all the ALP mps calling for Julia's head, please do.

Why so sensitive garry? What economic reforms would you like to see? Surely this is not such a difficult question.

You grammar is bad and often your posts do not make sense. Just curious if it's because English is not your first language. No need to be defensive.