Running for President from Jail

I think have fun for president from prison before, but nobody has WON while running from Prison. What if Trump went to prison and ran for president and won? Could he then let himself out? Would the oval office become a jail cell? How would they handle meetings with foreign leaders?

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/06/trump-running-for-president-prison-00090931

 

The left has been throwing trash at Trump since the day he announced. It has all failed, and the effort is steadily eroding their own support as people begin to get sick of being part of it.
Every time they make new charges, Trump gets stronger. The image of the left gets dirtier. Persecution builds his strength, reveals their weakness. These are not wise people, nor moral people- and that alone makes them unfit to hold any office, any power.

This is not to say anything about Trump one way or the other- it points out the incredibly corrupt character that is driving the left's agenda today, and the effect it's producing.
The left thinks it is destroying Trump, and is so obsessed it does not realize it is destroying itself, destroying the respect of it's own followers as well as those on the other side.

No nation can thrive under the leadership of such people. They have nothing to offer except destruction and corruption.

 

Ssshhhhhh, we don't want them to be aware of that. Let them ride their high horse longer so the fall is that much worse!

 

People are rebelling against a petty, crooked, elite, power-grabbing, self-serving, arrogant bunch of politicians by supporting Trump. It might be nice to see Trump elected president and then Trump could announce from atop the Capitol Building, "You're all under arrest". Watch out for karma.

 

Definitely uncharted territory. The POTUS has a Cabinet that is in charge of running the Administration. With technology, being what it is, necessary one on one meetings can be done on Zoom. Iirc, Biden did a few of them due to the situation with Covid. Face to face meetings aren't really necessary. So, Trump (or anyone) could successfully run the Office of the POTUS from within the confines of jail.

 

As on of 'the left' I can assure you that I have not lost respect for my party. And to say that respect has been lost from those on the other side suggests that there was respect to begin with...to what year/era are you referring?

I respect that Garland has appointed special counsels for both Trump and Hunter Biden.

 

Derail noted. If you don't want to imagine Trump in jail then imagine Biden in jail, and keep this thread on topic please.

 

That a jailed president could potentially pardon himself regardless of the crime putting him in the jail is shocking to me. How can you have any respect for a country where that is a thing?

 

Using novel legal theories to attempt to jail the main political opponent does not bother you, but pardon power puts you over the edge?

I would say that your priorities are out of order.

 

From what I understand Trump could only pardon himself of Federal, not State crimes. So, the indictments of Georgia would be outside the reach of his presidential powers.

 

Respect depends on your values. IF you value honesty, competence, dedication to the purpose of your job and love of country-
It's unthinkable to me that such a person could support the democrats or left as they are today. This is not to say the republicans are not contributing to the problems, but when the rules are not upheld, the game will get played by whatever is necessary. Bad state of affairs.

The evidence those characteristics are not only absent in today's left, but are resulting in undesirable effects is everywhere. On the news, on the streets, in the schools, in the houses of government.
The chaos is proof that the left's idealogy is not only failing, it is destroying us. Impossible for any honest person to deny, yet that is the dodge of choice.
The conditions their ideology has produced are evidence that is not defensible. I don't think there are any other choices other than to deny- or to accept the reality and become an advocate for the nation instead of one for it's demise. As that is also in the best interests of the person themselves, it should be a clear choice. However, human nature and weakness does not make such a change easy. It takes introspection and courage- more than a lot of people can muster. That doesn't excuse it, just helps in understanding the quandary, the moral dilemma that many on the left find themselves in.

While I am conservative, over the years I've voted for many Democrats because I have usually voted for the person I think will do the job best, and do it honorably. Not for the party- for the man.
However the basic character of the democratic party and the left has changed dramatically. There is no similarity between the integrity of people like Harry Truman or JFK, and the leaders of the left today. None.
Today, my voting for any person associated with the left for any office is unlikely, because of the trend to follow the party line despite its loss of integrity. Anyone who will do that has sacrificed their own integrity.

We have a serious media problem. 50 years ago, journalistic ethics were held as sacred as a physician's Hippocratic oath. News was accurate or not reported, and editorials were carefully represented as such.
Today, media takes sides and acts as political influencers. If you watch the ones associating with the left, you get a totally different picture of things- events, people, right and wrong- than you would if you were watching the other side's media.

People's views, attitudes and choices are of course based on what they think they know and believe- and that is being heavily manipulated. The loss of journalistic integrity could be addressed by an honorable congress- IF we had an honorable congress. Actually, all of the problems that are causing chaos in America today could be addressed by an Honorable Congress.

That means the same rules for all, and the rules must become firm limits with real consequences, not rubber-band cosmetics. It's possible. It's not even complicated. Would you vote for that?

 

James Michael Curley was elected Mayor of Boston while he was under indictment for mail fraud in 1947. He was elected mayor and was convicted. He went to jail while he was mayor and other politician stood in for him while he was in the clink. Harry Truman commuted his sentence and he came back to Boston to a rousing welcome.

Here is Curley button from 1932 when he was tried to ride on FDR's coattails to higher office. He was mayor of Boston at the time. Later he was elected Governor of Massachusetts.

 

Here's a plan -- Trump is elected president but must serve time. So from jail Trump resigns the presidency and his VP is sworn in as president. Then the ex-VP-now-president pardons Trump and makes Trump the VP. Then the president resigns and VP Trump is sworn in as president. Then Trump appoints the ex-president as his VP. "Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of man. The Shadow knows".

 

This is profoundly true statement. If Harry Truman were alive, he would be appalled by Joe Biden’s conduct today. Truman was tied up with Pendergast political machine, but he was not corrupted by it.

In the past, presidents who had wayward relatives, kept them at arm’s length. Richard Nixon had his brother, Donald. Jimmy Carter had his brother, Billy, who took money the Libyan dictator, Muammar Gaddafi. Even Jimmy Carter had brains enough to know that relationship was political poison.

Biden is either too dumb, too senile, too crooked or too afraid of what Hunter might say the press if he threw Hunter under the bus.

 

It is, but perhaps not going the direction you like. The validity of any president going to jail is relevant, and I believe the motivation is to destroy the candidacy by the threat of jail, by using the political leverage of those in power. That in itself is a great moral transgression, and a large percentage of the American public sees the persecution of Trump as precisely that. Trump's support has gotten stronger as the left has pursued that goal. The left is actually defeating itself by resorting to that tactic, and the question of "Running from jail" is the same as running under legal indictment and attack. You are just presuming it will
hold up, and somehow vindicate the people pushing the persecution. It won't, they will lose either way because they are defining themselves to the public right now by their choices of tactics- and it's working against them. Thus- Trump is successfully campaigning now, and that will only grow in strength if they manage to get some kind of conviction. It would also also go to the Supreme Court and backfire on the people orchestrating it. There are laws against the abuse of prosecutorial power too.

 

There are too many moves there, and the Democrats would have to approve of all of them.

The best strategy is to dump Trump. I don't like the idea that the Democrats have helped to engineer the dumping, but Trump has done many things to shoot himself in the foot.

 

Yeah, dump Trump and Biden and go with the clean guy who knows how to lead, one Ron DeSantis. He will do great in the debate tonight. Much smarter than he looks. Not afraid to fire incompetent people and not afraid to make tough decisions that will get the results needed for the USA.

 

His options are somewhat limited. Let's assume for the moment you are talking about prison and not jail -- that he's been found guilty and been sentenced to prison rather than just being held in jail pending trial.

Option 1 - He tries to pardon himself. This only "works" (if it even could work) for federal convictions and probably won't survive the courts.
Option 2 - Invoke the 25th Amendment and have the VP pardon him (again, this only works for federal convictions). This is, by far, his best bet for federal convictions.
Option 3 - This one is only for state convictions, but he MIGHT be able to get the Supreme Court to agree that any state prison sentence should be postponed during his stay in office. MAYBE. This would be extraordinarily abusive.

Honestly, so long as we are talking post-conviction, those are the only options. And if there are state convictions, he'd need to rely on the state's pardon policies. I think most Governors would pardon him in this case, but Georgia doesn't allow for that. If he's sentenced to prison in Georgia, he's got a minimum of 5 years to serve before pardons can come into effect.

 

That kind of %$#@&^)! thinking explains Trump's continued support among The Following. Everyone who feels slighted and is aggrieved thinks they have a champion in RICO Don. Instead they have a self-serving demagogue.

Trump literally said......."I am your retribution." Against what? The fictitious deep state? The baby eating pedophiles? My guess is the feeling of being left behind. Which is antithetical to the supposed conservative belief in personal responsibility and "pulling oneself up by your proverbial bootstraps."

 

At the end, you asked a simple question. Would I vote for someone/party that imposed consistency with respect to wrong doings and consequences? My answer is yes.

 

Why would Trump be in jail?

The left needs to consider the fact that Messiah Joe Biden could be impeached and then tried for treason.

 

You will soon have a chance to back that up. And it's not a party, not a candidate, not partisan in any way- but you can have a voice to make it happen. We're working on it!

 

yes please ignore that giant can of white wash to the left.

 

In Hunter's case, Garland named the same prosecutor who crafted the plea deal that gave blanket immunity for all potential future crimes for Hunter that was so outrageously in Hunter's favor that the judge promptly threw it out.

Being that his credibility is clearly, understandably, and widely questioned by the other side as a result, do you see this as a credible and/or wise choice to be the special counsel?

Why or why not?