Running Newsticker for the War in Ukraine

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  1. Statistikhengst

    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    As of now, more than 600 large companies have either partially or completely pulled out of Russia, inflicting a major hit on what is left of the Russian economy:




    This is neither propaganda nor is it fake news. It's real. It is happening
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    This is news running under the radar, but it is verified. Mark Felton is an accomplished WWII historian and his film series over WWII is one of the finest and most accurate out there.

    Here a video you really should see. It implicates Ukrainians, Russians and some NATO states to one extent or the other:



    Yes, there was a major explosion in Zagreb and yes, it was most likely a soviet-era missile being used by the Ukrainians that went off course.

    However, there have been other violations of NATO airspace that people should know about.

    This is neither propaganda nor is it fake news. It's real. It happened.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Oh, absolutely. I want the facts, all the facts and nothing but the facts. War is dirty, it is evil.

    It's not just "inter arma enim silent leges" (during battle the law is silenced), but also the 4th estate as well.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    You can find good and evil in most anything.

    But some things here are established fact, beyond doubt and there is no use debating them:

    -both Russia and Ukraine are sovereign nations, with the right to do what they want within their own borders.
    -Ukraine is NOT a vassal state of Russia. It WAS a vassal state of the Soviet Union, which is long dead.
    -Ukraine did not launch an offensive war against Russia. Not one single Ukrainian boot was on the ground in Russia. The start of the war goes completely, 100% on Russia's tab. That is absolutely certain.
    -Russia has been and is still actively bombing and attacking civilians, in violation of the Geneva convention.
     
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    As of this morning, from the Ukrainian defense ministry:
    upload_2022-4-13_9-48-11.png

    Not all of this has been independently confirmed and some may claim that the Ukrainians are inflating their figures. Then again, the Ukrainians have documented every single dead Russian soldier that they could, including taking photos and dog tags and in some cases where Russkis did not obey orders and still brought their ids with them into Ukraine, their ids as well, so I would bet the farm that that almost 20,000 KIA figure is spot-on. Logic dictates that Ukraine has nothing to gain by inflating the number of Russians KIA and we note that suddenly, the Russian War ministry updated it's death toll from around 1,000 to well over 8,000 simply because they can no longer hide the real truth of what is happening on the ground. One side is lopsidedly way off here and considering that the Russians have quite literally lied about everything else, it's a safe bet that they are also lying about their war dead.

    Now, as for material assets claimed destroyed, the Ukrainians may be fudging here, in order to demoralize an enemy. But then again, considering how humanely they have treated their pows to date, I bet that when the dust is settled, we will see that the Ukrainian defense ministry was being as accurate with the numbers as one can be in the middle of an unprovoked, brutal war.
     
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    Are you going to be including the fake stories that we (US) have been putting out to screw with Russia? Our government and media have been making up fake stories based on "low confidence intelligence" and "things that are possible rather than truly likely" in an effort to (supposedly...) "pre-empt and disrupt the Kremlin’s tactics." I'm just wondering how you plan to screen this stuff out, given that 'fact checkers' are usually associated with the media outlets that are happily going along with our strategic misinformation campaign.

    The U.S. is using declassified intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid (nbcnews.com)
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    The Ukrainians have captured this person:

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    ⚡️President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the Security Service of Ukraine had conducted a special operation and detained Viktor Medvedchuk
    He is a godfather to Vladimir Putin's children and a close friend, who has financed pro-Russian media and political parties in Ukraine for many years.

    Medvedchuk was caught disguised in military apparel although he is a civilian. This means that he can be handled as military personell because of his own ruse. If you read up on the man you will see that he has a very, very shady past.

    I suspect that the Ukrainians will use him in a prisoner-of-war trade, assuming that Putin even cares about the man's life, which he probably does not.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    Is that the only example you have?

    Since when did you become a Putin lover?

    Oh wait, that was a rhetorical question.

    Hint: the USA did not cause Russia to illegally invade another sovereign land. Russia did that all on it's own, eh.
     
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    I didn't say any of that and you didn't address anything I did say. Do you have an opinion on the fact that our media admits it is putting out fake stories on behalf of our govt regarding Russia v Ukraine?

    If not, its likely some of the stories being made up to confuse Russia are making it into your ticker here and confusing the rest of us as well...

    You "don't want to spread false propaganda" right?

    here's the link again, since it appears you missed it...

    The U.S. is using declassified intel to fight an info war with Russia, even when the intel isn't rock solid (nbcnews.com)
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    define rock solid.

    Also, my opinion here is of no consequence, but I am of the opinion that the majority of what the US press states is far closer to reality than anything that the Russian press will ever offer.

    Also, the US press was, as we now know, spot-on about the results of the 2020 presidential election in spite of the fact that a number of people in the world are still spreading the big lie.

    Also, I am not here to confuse people. They are adult enough to be able to read for themselves.

    Your effort to troll here is duly noted but has not effect on me whatsoever.

    Better luck to you next time.
     
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    This is not fake news. It is real news:

    Pentagon asks top 8 U.S. weapons makers to meet on Ukraine -sources | Reuters

    Wednesday is, of course, today.
     
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    The Ukrainian defense ministry is accusing Russia of using mobile crematoria in order to try to destroy evidence of war crimes.

    This has NOT yet been corroborated by enough independent sources yet, but Ukraine is willing to go as far as to list the exact number of mobile crematoria spotted in Mariupol alone at: 13

    I doubt that they would list such a very specific number without having hard evidence of such: video, audio, photographic

    Also, this happened on the day that US President Joe Biden changed his rhetoric to include the word "genocide" in describing the Russian military's behavior.

    This is certainly no coincidence and very likely means that the Ukrainians have already provided ample evidence to the US government regarding this claim.

    Nonethless, this story is incomplete before I see confirmation from numerous independent sources.
     
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    Statistikhengst Well-Known Member

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    This is a real news story. It is not fake news:

    World's top independent oil trader Vitol will stop trading Russian crude | The Straits Times

    The world's largest oil trader "Vitol Group" intends to stop trading Russian oil by the end of the year — Bloomberg

    Vitol has it's seat in Genf (Geneva, Switzerland) and Rotterdam (the Netherlands), so this is not all too much of a surprise.

    However, Vitol is an enormous trader among traders. That makes the story very relevant.
     
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    Prezydenci Polski, Estonii, Litwy i Łotwy w drodze do Kijowa [PL/EN] \ Aktualności \ Wizyty zagraniczne \ Oficjalna strona Prezydenta Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej
    (in Polish)

    The president of Poland and presidents of the three baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania are heading toward Kyiv right now to meet with Pres. Zelenskii.

    To my knowledge, this is the first time ever that the presidents of all four countries have taken such a trip together.

    2022-04-013 baltic states underway to kyiv.png

    This is not fake news. This is a real story.
     
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    'Rock solid' is defined in the article- "low confidense intelligence" and "things that are possible but not likely" is what they claim they are putting out as factual to confuse Russia. ...Sounds like you cant even be bothered to read it for yourself even though you condider the US press to be reliable. It doesnt sound like you're actually interested in avoiding fake propaganda if you cant even be bothered to read an article from a source thats telling you its providing you with fake propaganda.
     
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    The German President was to be on this trip, but Ukraine told him, he is not welcome.
    They want the Kanzler, but he is not very much interested.
     
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    I'm commenting more on the bigger picture. The local 'skirmish' is just one piece of the puzzle. This was a long time coming, and it involves half the world.
     
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    Well said. I appreciate the efforts the OP is making, but it must be cross referenced .. especially when it comes from Western media.
     
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    So, let's deal with the former flagship of the Russian Navy, the Moskva (Moscow).

    Ukraine is claming that they attacked and sunk Russia's largest and most expensive cruiser (750 million USD).

    Russia is claiming that there was simply a fire and all is well.

    Videos show massive explosions on the ship that look very much like impact explosions.

    There is no way right now to say which side is telling the truth, but the most telling sign of this is that Russia absolutely refuses to show any photos or videos of the Moskva right now. Ukraine is adamant that this has happened:

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    Fact is that since the incident, not one missile has been launched from the position where the Moskva is supposed to be. And if Russia is really so adamant that all is well with their flagship, they could clear up the issue in 5 minutes or less - but they have not.

    I will simply wait until the fog of war has lifted and then we will all know.
     
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    Both Sweden and Finland are interested in joining NATO.
    Both are now on the fast-track for entry into the alliance.
    Both of these countries remained steadfastly neutral after WWII, until now.

    Russia has already issued threats to both nations and those threats seem to not be having any effect.
     
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    The Ukrainian military is claiming that it has hacked into the data for the courier service in Russia that is delivering packets of stuff that Russian soldiers looted and stole from Ukrainian civilians.

    They claim to have the information in detail, all the way down to the complete information over the senders and the receivers.

    In order to prove their point, they have published an updatable Google-maps link:

    Русские мародёры – Google My Maps

    Each one of the arrows on the google map is clickable, with the exact information in a left info window, including:

    Sender's full name (ФИО отправителя)

    Recipient (Получатель)

    City of delivery (Город доставки)

    Adress sent to (Адрес доставки)

    Recipient's tracking number (Номер получателя) date of delivery to parcel service and date of delivery to recipient, among other things.

    City of depature (Город отправки)

    Sender's phone number (Телефон отправителя)

    Number of parcels (called "seats" in Russian) (Количество мест)

    Total weight (Общий вес) - in grams, I assume

    Application number (Номер заявки)

    Dispatch date (Дата отправки)

    Duty station (where the package was processed) (Часть/Место службы)

    Sender's date of birth (Дата рождения)

    Sender's category (Звание) - most are listed as "private"

    Tab number (Таб №)

    How is this so incriminating and how can the Ukrainians use this?

    First, remember that Russian soldiers crossing the border into Ukraine were reportedly forbidden to take their own Smartphones and Identification with them, so if the Sender is a Russian but the telephone number they used was a stolen Ukrainian phone, this is an indication that this is stolen material. Also, with the Sender's name and DOB, it's easy for the Ukrainians to learn the rank and serial number of every Russian soldier who is doing this. Also, with a reverse search, the Russians can get the telephone number of the recipient and inform that person (who surely already knows, anyway) that they are the recipient of stolen/looted goods. Sounds juvenile at the onset, but with thousands of thousands of such cases, that adds up to yet another case of war crimes. Also, surely some of those senders have since died in Ukraine (KIA) and now the Ukrainians can inform their families of the death of their loved one since the Russians are not even willing to take their dead bodies with them.

    Now, how long this database will be available now that it is clear that the Ukrainians have hacked the database, that is anyone's guess. The Kremlin is probably asking if they have also been hacked already.

    But it is a clear sign that the Ukainians are far more saavy, including tech-savvy, than the Russians are willing to admit.

    BTW, most of the Senders' DOBs are between 1996-2004, exactly the age for young conscipts in the Russian military.
     
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    More data just came in. At the time that the "incident" happened on the Moskva, the rest of the Russian fleet that that near the Mosva moved away from it in a southerly direction. If this was just a fire on a ship, this would not have been necessary.
     
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    Ireland has announced that it is in favor of a complete oil embargo on Russia and that they, the Irish, are willing to get the ball rolling:

    Ireland: Sixth round of sanctions against Russia must include oil embargo (ukrinform.net)

    Also:

    Irish Foreign Minister Simon Coveney confirmed that his country supports the introduction of an embargo on Russian oil. The Minister stated this during a joint press conference with his Ukrainian counterpart Dmytro Kuleba in Kyiv.
     
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