Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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  1. Durandal

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    As far as I know, Belarus is not as censored as Russia. Luka might be getting himself a revolution. :lol:
     
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    mate...it doesn't.... I guess the major phuck up was made when Russia tried and apply an Economy of Force model to what they should have realised would be an all-out warfight from the start. In 2014, the model worked in the Donbas, because the geography was small and Russian forces could inflict most of the damage from a distance, having had plenty of time to warm up. Now, having had the first Echelon force totally bushwacked their second Echelon forces are having to fight a WW2 style meatgrinder campaign. All in order to force some form of pyrrhic victory over the rusting ashes of most of their First Echelon. Whilst Emcon has persisted with the idea of some magical major operational breakout soon, multiple indicators would seem to suggest that all Russian forces are actually committed to full contact battle. So no these losses are no suprise at all.
     
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    The Iraq example is inapplicable for many reasons:
    1- Desert Storm: a) Iraq didn't fight an insurgency war. They had a couple of open desert tank battles (which was stupid of them), where the Iraqi tanks were taken out by US tanks from a range they couldn't reach. But in the one place the Iraqis could have leveled the playing field, in an urban setting like Kuwait city, Saddam (ironically persuaded by the Russians) pulled his troops out to be slaughtered on the highway of death. b) the ground offensive came after several weeks of heavy bombing in an air campaign that saw more sorties than in WWII c) it was Saddam who was internationally isolated, not the Americans who had a huge coalition on their side d) the Iraqi army was, both by training and experience as well as composition, not a useful type force as a resistance army for guerrilla warfare. It had been reared and armed to the teeth for a regional war to fight an adversary with inferior arms. Guerrilla or resistance forces require above all dedication and loyalty, which most of the (mainly shia) conscripts in Iraq's army lacked.
    2- 2003 invasion. all the above plus: by 2003, Saddam was a little more than the mayor of Baghdad, with even many of his generals already bribed and ready to abandon their posts, which they did as US forces approached Baghdad. There was no real fighting until after the occupation.

    The relevant examples militarily are America's battles against Iraqi insurgents after the occupation. Except the US had all sorts of numerical and other advantages fighting insurgents which didn't have open support.

    The most comparable situation to what Russia faces in Ukraine in some ways is Israel's failed ground offensives in the 2006 against Hezbollah.
     
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    His little fiefdom is certainly a weaker link than Putin's empire.
     
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    Russia forces keep stepping up the process to level off the buildings and city in Ukraine. The Russian troops are going to start to think that they are unstoppable and keep going full speed ahead and it won't end until Ukraine belongs to them. Vladimir Putin will be put in as a Supreme dictator and Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be hunted, caught, and hanged as will the rest of the Ukrainians and the one that escaped will be hunted, found, caught, and hanged. Russia if they were to capture Ukraine to merge. Russia will move on to capture the rest of the countries to form the Soviet Union. It would be like trying to put Yugoslavia together again. Ukraine will have to step up their fighting against Russia and plenty of Faith from God to get it done.
     
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    Russia is banned from receiving USD and euros.
     
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    Belarus is not needed to be bombed to get military involved in the war in Ukraine as Belarus has a collective security treaty with Russia and Kazakhstan. Putin need just to ask for help from military forces in Belarus and they will come, like it was when Kazakhstan asked for military support from Russia recently and it came. I think these are fake news.
     
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    Rhetoric is being ramped up....looks like there's soon to be a chemical weapons attack on Ukraine by Russia.....
    https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1502310035799564292?cxt=HHwWiICzpZPBo9kpAAAA

    Interestingly, @Jeannette the resident Russian troll team seems to be trailing the next Russian escalation by getting their explanations in early - the massed artillery attacks on civilian areas being a case in point. There has been a noticeable switch towards justifying/muddying the waters on chemical attacks in their postings sinceTuesday, even if they have made a complete horlicks of it.
     
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    You are just making excuses for Russian incompetence. The Israelis would make short work of Russia's Ukraine invasion force.
     
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    Russian use of chemical weapons creates a real risk of NATO intervention.
     
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    ....well I guess our history of intereving ain't that great really is it...specially if you consider Syria
    Worring though... I mean they'll probably use that Syrian playbook again so look out for canisters of disguised (but not too disguised) Ukrainian origin thrown out of helicopters in the early morning
     
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    1- Russia's tactics have been beyond incompetent; they have been literally baffling and incomprehensible. I have said that from almost day 1 of their invasion.
    2- The Israelis have fared even worse:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil

     
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    We shall see.
     
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    "There ain't a horse that can't be rode and there ain't a cowboy who can't be throwed."
    I never claimed the Israelis are perfect; I claimed they are significantly superior to the Russians.
     
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    Nah, the Belarusian people aren't robots who would just go along with such a request. Putin needs this false flag to work in order to create some kind of popular support among Belarusians for attacking Ukraine.
     
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    Do you think that people in Belarus are idiots to believe that Ukraine attacked them, while being heavily busy with Russia?
     
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    Zelensky says Ukraine has 'reached a strategic turning point' in its fight against Russia (msn.com)
    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Friday urged the people of his nation to be patient as they continue to defend their country against Russia's military invasion, which has now entered its 16th day.

    "I know that many people have started to feel tired. I understand. Impatient. I understand," Zelensky said in a video posted online. "This is life. When we mobilize, when we see our victories and the loss of the enemy on the battlefield, we expect the struggle to end sooner. We expect the invaders to fall faster. But this is life, this is war. This is a struggle. Time is still needed. Patience is still needed."

    A defiant Zelensky insisted Ukraine will prevail despite reports of Russian forces striking near airports in the western part of Ukraine for the first time while its troops were attempting to encircle the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv.

    "It is impossible to say for how many more days we must liberate our Ukrainian land. But it is possible to say we will do it," Zelensky said. "Because we have already reached a strategic turning point. We are already moving towards our goal, towards our victory."

    "This is a patriotic war against an obstinate enemy which doesn't pay attention to thousands of their own soldiers
    This will show that Ukraine showing a stronger defense than Russia imagined. You have to ask yourself what chances Ukraine has to keep fending off Russia?
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    I question that. Our leaders seem to be so petrified at the thought of escalation with Russia that even this would not trigger anything more than more stern looks and slaps on the wrist in the form of sanctions.
     
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    I should hope not. I'm not saying that they're going to fall for it.
     
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    I'm surprised that more wasn't done to cut off Crimea when this invasion began. Allowing Russian forces to stream in from there is not at all good. Cutting off land access would have effectively closed one front in this war.
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    Zelensky needs to lay off the blow.
     
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    By the way, I distinctly remember many Russian trolls claiming in the past that if they stop using USD then american economy will collapse.
    Now they are literally banned from using USD.
    Let’s see which economy will collapse. :lol:

    Be careful what you wish for. 8)
     
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