Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

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    Courtesy of Putin's stupidity NATO will soon have another member that borders Russia and is only 250 miles in a straight line from St Petersburg. Genuis!
     
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    There were not going to be any NATO missile bases in Ukraine, but there may now be in Estonia & Finland. Putin has made things worse for Russia. Only a fool can fail to see that.
     
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    All very simple, just as simple as take Kiev in 3 days. But in practice it turned out not so simple... And based on this, as Russian writer Bulgakov wrote, you make statements of cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity. And after all, You did not answer, if US already have base in Poland, what's the point to have in Ukraine? Argument of flying time of rockets is ridiculous, because from NATO territory in Baltic States they are the same or less, and there is no single US rocket there.
     
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    Russkie citizens find creative ways to protest P00tin's war.

     
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    ...brilliant...

    Someone has to start clocking those police officers as the truth and reconciliation after this is finished isn't going to be chocolates and roses
     
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    "Truth and Reconciliation" -- going to be a clown show - but a good one. We still havn't gotten started on the Truth and Reconciliation in Syria. Think we need to clear that off the slate first don't we .. Biden's Genocide .. or should we say one example of Biden's genocide .. both far better meeting the definition than heir Putinski.
     
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    Russia is the last obstacle to Washington's path to absolute world domination. Therefore, Russia will be destroyed in any case.
     
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    Well its certainly giving self annihilation it's best efforts.

    That aside even assuming your fantasies about the US were literally true (they're not) the US would want prosperous, peaceful client states. They not only make excellent customers and hence more money all round for everyone they also don't cost anything to Police. Bankrupt, ruined dysfunctional clients cost their Patrons. Even if by some miracle Russia managed to conquer all of Ukraine in the end all it will 'own' is a bankrupt, ruined, financial black hole. You really think Russia has the resources to pull off a 21st century Marshall Plan? Well the US did do one and Western Europe today has an economy 10 times the size of Russia's while also remaining close allies to this day - even if they do fight like a family from time to time. What 'family; does Moscow have apart from some impoverished, corrupt 'Stan's' whose collective population would bolt to the west at the first opportunity they were given.
     
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    Russia, like Germany then, must be freed from a brutal dictator. He not only massacres people abroad, but also destroys his own country and people.
     
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    The more missile bases near Russia's borders, the higher the chances of destroying the reciprocal Russian potential in the first strike. US missile bases in the Baltic countries are only a matter of time.
     
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    Without Russia, there will be a completely different world order. Multipolarity will be replaced by the absolute world domination of Washington, and the rest of the world will become their barnyard.
     
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    No one other than the Ukrainians. Did you have a relevant point?
     
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    It will be a better world. A world that will breathe a sigh of relief because a great worry has disappeared. Like when the Soviet Union collapsed. :)

    The Russkies should get another chance for freedom, shouldn't they?
     
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    The sooner Russia takes its place next to North Korea as the second hermit kingdom, separated from the rest of the world, the better.
     
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    Now that we produce most of the oil we use, we have pulled back from protecting the oil shipping lanes. For all the talk about China, we haven't put the resources there to protect Taiwan, and the idea of dominating China is hilarious.

    We have put a lot of resources into Europe.

    And while the last thing we want is "absolute domination" over Russia, we would like them to play nice.

    The world has changed, globalisation was in decline before Covid. Covid will reduce that even further. What that means is like our pull back from protecting the seas. While we will do something like help Ukraine, our soldiers aren't fighting and won't fight.

    You simply won't see pointless wars like Iraq now. Our economy is too fragile, like most countries we had a Baby Bust after the Baby Boom, we can't afford to lose a lot of them. On top of that, again like the oceans, Iraq was an oil country, we just aren't as interested.

    This is not something I expected. This looks like a long slow decline of the American empire. Slow mostly because our potential enemies are in a lot worse shape than we are.
     
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    P00tin's orks and their vehicles are destroyed as usual. :)

    Russkies are just too stupid.
    Volodya's Waterloo is coming!

     
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    Guess you've never heard of China.

    You just keep vomiting up third rate Kremlin propaganda. Do you even have original thoughts?

    Putin has started a disastrous war for absolutely no good reason. Had he not started the war Finland & Sweden would not be joining NATO, NATO nations would not have dramatically boosted their spending overnight, there would be fewer NATO forces close to Russia, the Russian economy would be stronger and the Russian military would be larger and better equipped.

    Any consequences for Russia are 100% Putin's fault. The big winner here will be China.
     
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    China is more powerful than Russia today and their ground forces are better equipped and trained. Russia took a step back long ago. That's what this invasion was all about, to showcase the new Russian power that put it at the top tier again.
     
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    Baltic States are in NATO since 2004. 18 years!! And in these 18 years there still is not a single US rocket there. How long to wait? 100 years? If US so badly needs rockers near Russian border, then why they in these 18 years did not deploy these rockets in Baltic States? Where is the logic here?
     
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    Good post .. We actually produce about 55-60% of the oil we consume .. importing roughly 40-45% into US refineries from 70 different nations. and we actually sell oil on the open market .. so while we produce near as much as we consume -- we still import a shwack of it.

    The rest is bang on .. The cost of projecting power has increased as technology spreads -- the historical cycle of rise and fall of empire - economic decline due to trying to maintain that hegemony.. Return on investment decreasing while costs increase. Same thing happened in last 3 world economic empires .. Spanish Dutch British .. same with Rome for that matter.

    With these new weapons .. many of which are on full display in Ukraine .. kind of like a bit of an arms show - it is just to dangerous and costly to attack folks armed with these weapons these days.. going to be a huge arms expenditures by the nations in the world .. buying these new fancy weapons.. that simply were not available to the second tier nations a decade ago.

    The main war is economic .. and our decline is precipitous of late .. rather than slow. You can't have interest rates rise when you have 30 Trillion in debt.. spent the last 15 years trying to keep interest rates low due to our massive debt .. which has now gone from 20 to 30 Trillion in just a few years. Right now our interest payments are over 600 Billion a year .. on income of roughly 3.6 Trillion .. ave interest rate of 2%. We get ave interest rates on the debt rise 1% .. and thats 900 Billion a year .. 2% and thats 1.2 Trillion a year

    Now hopefully revenue goes up during this time period .. and it better .. because 1.2 Trillion/3.6 Trillion is 33% At 30% red lights go off at the IMF .. water coming into ship faster than can be bailed out.. something needs be done soon or ship will sink

    This a big Elephant in the room right now .. and also why maintaining our status as world reserve currency is important -- why the economic nuclear option is dangerous..
     
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    I’m seeing news in Russia that Ukrainian armed forces shelled some villages in Bryansk and Belgorod regions.
    I think that in reality it was Russian fascists shelling pro-Ukrainian Russians. Ukraine should recognize the sovereignty of Bryansk People’s Republic and Belgorod Peoples Republic, immediately sign mutual defense agreements and start special military operation there.
    :nod:
     
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    America's proxy war in Ukraine and direct financial war against Russia will prove to be the worst foreign policy blunder in modern history.

    China thanks our Mail Ballot President. The EU does not. Expect more defections from the EU.
     
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    The very existence of a US missile base in Poland is irrefutable proof of NATO's plan to strike Russia first. Ukraine has a border 500 km from Moscow and this is a very convenient springboard for a lightning attack on Russia. Russia has an obligation to deprive NATO of such a convenient place to attack itself.
     
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    It's not so much that we haven't put resources into protecting Taiwan, but rather that simulations produce troubling outcomes no matter how many resources we put in.
     
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    Again, your entire argument falls apart when one takes into account the fact that half of the U.S. nukes are on submarines, which don’t need Poland or Ukraine.
     
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