Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

Without taking into account the security of Russia, all negotiations are useless.
Let the US take their missiles to America.

 

Just to wrap up the interview with a man that is probably better informed than any one of us on this forum when it comes to Ukraine.


https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/15/us-eu-sacrificing-ukraine-to-weaken-russia-fmr-nato-adviser/

AARON MATÉ: As we wrap, I want to ask you about some of the recent atrocities that we’ve seen reported. There were reports of mass civilian killings by Russia inside the town of Bucha and also killings of Ukrainian forces, and then you had the attack on the train station in Kramatorsk. I’m wondering if you’ve evaluated both of these incidents and what you make of them.

JACQUES BAUD: Well, there are two things in that. And the first is that the indication we have on both incidents to me indicates that the Russians were not responsible for that. But, in fact, we don’t know. I think that’s what we have to say. I mean, if we’re honest, we don’t know what happened. The indications we have, everything, all the elements we have tends to point at Ukrainian responsibilities, but we don’t know.

What disturbs me in the whole thing is not so much that we don’t know, because in war there’s always such situations, there are always situations where you don’t know exactly who is really responsible. What disturbs me is that Western leaders started to make decisions without knowing what’s going on and what happened. And that’s something that disturbs me quite deeply, that before having any result of any kind of inquiry, of investigation, and I mean international, impartial investigation, without having that we start already to take sanctions, to make decisions, and I think that illustrates how the whole decision-making process in the West was perverted. Since February or even before, in fact, because we had a similar thing after the hijacking—or not hijacking, by the way, it was not a hijacking—but the incident in Belarus with this Ryanair flight. You may remember last May, last year, that people started to react just minutes after the incident was reported in the press, even they didn’t know what was going on! So, that’s this way of doing from the political leadership in Europe, I mean the European Union, but also in European countries. That disturbs me as an intelligence officer. How can you make a decision with such impact on populations or on whole countries that disturbs even our own economies? So, it tends to backfire on us. But we take decisions without even knowing what’s going on, and that, I think, indicates an extremely immature leadership that we have in the West in general. That’s certainly the case in the US, but I think in this example of the Ukraine crisis shows that the European leadership is not better than what you have in the US. It’s probably even worse, I think, sometimes. So, that’s what should worry us, that you have people deciding based on nothing, and that’s extremely dangerous.

AARON MATÉ: Jacques Baud, he is a former strategic intelligence officer with the Swiss Strategic Intelligence Service, also served in a number of senior security and advisory positions at NATO, the UN, and the Swiss military. Jacques, thank you very much for your time and insight.

 

Ukraine was the Next Big Thing for Putin - after Chechnya, Georgia, Belarus and Syria. It's all about the Greater Russia. And Ukraine was 'little Russia' to many Russians - they felt it was their right, just like Crimea and Donbass was their right. And of course it was about Nazis, and anti-Russian racism, and the West about to attack Russia...... whatever.

Below, each pram represents a dead baby killed by Russians as they search for American nuclear missiles.

 

...why...?

...well if Putin wasn't and isn't interested in Russia's "security" why would any other country?

 

w/r - With Respect "With Respect to the Economy" Stalin Style Communist Economy.

 

But Vlad is interested in Russia's security --

 

Literally none of that is true.

If those people want to change nations then Russia needs to leave & have the UN oversee a fair vote among people who were citizens when the territories were occupied.

 

Russia has shown it will not keep its word to respect the territorial integrity of its neighbours. If it wants security it must allow them to be protected by someone Russia won't dare to attack.

Simple deal.

 

All of it is actually true. There were multiple referendums, Crimea in particular, and people always voted the Russian way. Furthermore, you display an astonishing level of hypocrisy. Somehow you are completely all right with a communist dictator awarding Ukraine Russian lands without organising any referendum. For example, Crimea has never belonged to Ukraine before a communist dictator signed it over via decree.

 

...well he's got an odd way of looking at it!

 

This is how Vlad is interested in Russian security:

He withdrew from many treaties and violated international norms.
He saw Russia as standing apart from Europe, not being a part or even a leader.
He wants equality with NATO - not a particular NATO member, ie Poland, but equality with the WHOLE of NATO (USA and Europe 42 trillion GDP, Russia 1.5 trillion GDP)
He wants to control his neighbors, set up puppet regimes - like he tried to do in Ukraine
He games the political system, engages in industrial strength espionage and seeks to divide and conquer.
He interferes in the businesses of other nations.
He goes after his political opponents in other countries.
He lies to his own people and controls what they know about the outside world.
He has helped Iran and Nth Korea to skirt nuclear sanctions, thereby hastening a total nuclear world.

And this guy is 'concerned' about his nation's security? If there is a future nuclear war with the West, Putin's fingerprints will be all over the process.

 

..indeed there was but when you have a turnout of 123% to some odd questions it does look rather strange...even when you have some pretty queer choices of EU observers who despite glaring weirdness say "yup all looks hunky dory to us!"

 

The US withdrew from the ABM treaty .. and is one of the worlds biggest violator of international norms - So .. by your logic - Bush and a host of others were not interested in US security.

My question to you is why I had to figure this out for you .. why you could not figure out this flawed logic on your own ?

 

Odd it may be ..and often is - yet this is both common and normal behavoir for Nations .. and in fact when are such operations conducted without the nation conducting these actions claiming the reason for the action was "Security"

 

There were referendums in 1990's, they always voted the Russian way simply because the majority of population in Crimea feels Russian. Anyway.....

Soviet premier Nikita
Khrushchev transferred Crimea to Ukraine in a move hailed as a “noble act on behalf of the Russian people.” The transfer was praised at the 1954 meeting of the Presidium of the USSR Soviet Supreme, the Soviet Union’s highest legislative body.

“Comrades…The transfer of the Crimean Oblast (or region) to the Ukrainian SSR is occurring in remarkable days,” said Soviet politician Sharof Rashidov. “This is possible only in our country, where there is no ethnic strife and there are no national differences, where the lives of all the Soviet peoples pass in an atmosphere of peaceful constructive work in the name of the peace and happiness of all humanity…”

 

It was enough for the United States to sit down at the negotiating table with Russia back in December 2021 and guarantee the neutrality of Ukraine.
The reason for the death of Ukrainian babies is the desire of the United States to dominate the whole world.

 

USA told the president of Ukraine to leave the country. They told Ukraine they would not be able to stand up to Russia.
Ukraine offered neutrality but Putin rejected it.
Blaming America for Putin's invasion is quite cynical - who is to blame for invading Georgia and Chechnya?
If America sought to dominate the world it wouldn't just put American boots on the ground to fight Russia, it would also fight Ukraine.

 

False and smelly American propaganda from the very first line.
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Meanwhile, on December 13, 2001, US President George W. Bush issued a "formal notice" of his withdrawal from the ABM Treaty. In accordance with Article 15 of the Treaty, the date for the final withdrawal of the United States from this agreement came 6 months later, on June 13, 2002. The Russian leadership immediately declared the fallacy of such a decision by the American administration.

 

Sure - that rat hole called Crimea was given to Ukraine. It became a fact of geography and politics. The rule of the modern world is that
WE MUST RESPECT ALL EXISTING BORDERS. Borders are mostly drawn in blood - and just about every nation has a border issue.
This is called the 'International Order.' If you don't like this order then hand Vladivostok back to China.

 

It was necessary to offer neutrality even before February 24, and not after. But there were still many conditions. Including the referendum. That is, Putin stops the invasion, and in return receives the same US missile bases 300 km from his nuclear forces.

 

True, America withdrew from treaties when Russia refused to respect them, and China refused to even sign up.
So Russia and America have a treaty to not militarize space. But then Russia blinds satellites and China blows them up.
America withdraws from the treaty.
America is accused of 'breaking' the treaty.
ie INF treaty, New Start and Open Skies treaty.

Example from Open Skies Responses to Russian INF Treaty Violations | by Senate Republican Policy | Medium
The Open Skies Treaty is yet another arms control treaty Russia violates. It establishes a regime for unarmed observation
flights over the territories of other parties. It is essentially a confidence-building measure. The confidence it engenders right
now is quite low, given the substantial and systematic Russian violations of the treaty. Russia has refused U.S. access
for observations over certain territories in a way not allowed under the treaty.

So America scraps treaties and Russia points out American 'deal breaking.' It's known as GASLIGHTING.

 

There can be no permanent boundaries. The US set the precedent Kosovo around the world. It has become international law to bomb cities and allow territory to secede.

 

Are you aware of the fact that a chunk of Ukrainian territory was transferred to Russia in exchange for Crimea?

 

One lie follows another lie
All American propaganda is full of lies.
Bush had no claims to Russia or China.
When will American propaganda stop being false?
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President Bush announced Thursday that despite Russian and international concerns, the United States will withdraw from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty to clear the way for a missile defense system.

"I have come to the conclusion that the ABM treaty hinders our government's ability to develop ways to protect our people from future missile attacks by terrorists or rogue states," Mr. Bush said Thursday morning from the White House.

Russian President Vladimir Putin called the US decision to withdraw from the ABM treaty a "mistake".

 

Kosovo was about the racist mass murder of Muslims wasn't it?
How many American troops are still stationed there?