Russia Declares War on Ukraine<<MOD WARNING>>

There are no "good guys" in this fight. The Russians and Ukrainians both include a disproportionate number among them who have hitched their quest to be accepted as full-fledged members of the "West" to the wagon carrying the most deplorable members in that club, namely "white nationalists" aka racists, ultra-Zionists, and others who intentionally and consciously try to dehumanize a vast segment of humanity. And while the need among the majority stakeholders in the West for Russia to be remain an adversary to justify the organizational basis (namely NATO) of their sway over Europe has kept Russia on the other side of the isle, the Russians are all too willing to betray any would-be allies on the other side if the opportunity half presents itself. The Ukraine on the other hand is basically similar to Russia, but without the same impediments as Russia to be accepted in the club.

 

Uh huh... and then the Martians come riding outerspace horses... yup... right...

 

Sure, I think they would benefit from more land, but also suggest Russia's poor economic performance is related to malaise and corruption and connectedly - the inability to combine intelligence with creativity in an unimpeded way. It's not really a "free" market economy. You have to pay the overlords.

I thought Russia was a large exporter of wheat and seeds (even larger than Ukraine). I guess you are talking about other foods? I'll have to read more.

 

Oh, wow, how is Germany gonna replace the 45%?? From America??

 

Dude, the 'pet' was the 2 break away provinces in the east of Ukraine that the Ukranian government was bombing, starving and killing.
Putin addressed this problem at least, 3 months before the Ukranian invasion with no response from Ukraine or any other country's diplomatic corps. What a colossal failure by world's diplomatic corps!

 

Gas account only for 14% of Germany energy needs. And Russian gaz is 7% of it. Try reading the thread before trolling…

 

How does Germany supply in your opinion the other 86% of Germany's energy needs?? Alternative energy??

 

Google It!

 

The Russians are already in the suburbs of Kyiv. What's wrong? Ukrainian supporters of the Nazis are fleeing.

Soon they will begin to cling to the chassis of aircraft and train tracks.

 

It's tough being Russia - and yes, pushed to some extent, including as the result of their own karma into the enemy box. Criminals need to deal with this same karmic curse. Nevertheless, with the drop of the iron curtain NATO has not laid a finger on them. Remember when Gorbachev visited the US to acclaim. A fresh start in the eyes of the West. Putin has chosen his bed to lie in and within it has dragged the fate of Russia in the short- and medium-term.

 

Er. OK. I guess.

The "breakaway provinces" were essentially fighting an internal Civil War with the rest of Ukraine because they're A: Stupid enough to think they'd rather live under Putin's iron fist, B: Stupid enough to think they had a right to breakaway in the first place. Internationally, this is generally not acceptable, see the US's own Civil War from the 1800s for an example.

Putin had no right to "solve the problem" because it was none of his damn business. Not to mention many of those "separatists" were under his command in the first place. However, there's not a single nation or body like the UN that recognized those regions as anything but Ukranian soil anyway, including Russia until he played his little dirty trick. It was a bit clever, I'll grant him that, because it enabled him to put boots on the ground there with no response whatsoever from the rest of the world, but even if he was legally justified in doing that (and he wasn't), that doesn't then extend to having boots on the ground in the rest of the Ukraine.

So, your analogy is lose/lose, because no matter HOW you look at it, his actions vis-a-vis Ukrain as a whole violated a whole shitload of international laws, and not just justified the actions that have been taken against him as regards sanctions, but also justifies international involvement politically. The only reason that hasn't happened (yet) is because that coward dictator is hiding behind his nukes.

However, if he's stupid enough to try to do the same into an actual NATO country (and he is, just give it some time), then it will be a whole different story as the US, and all NATO nations, will have no choice but to be involved militarily.

 

In general, I don't mind the way you tell the story, even though it starts at a different point and goes to a very direction than the story I would tell. I don't mind because you don't seem invested in pushing outright lies. But just for you to know: if I were Russian, unless I was one of the folks who had become billionaires overnight, I wouldn't look at the Yeltsin years with any sort of nostalgia either. If that is what a "fresh start" is supposed to look like, maybe I wouldn't be interested in a fresh start. And dare I say, the same would be true for you, if the shoe was on the other foot...

 

Yes I agree completely. They had an opportunity to succeed but blew it.

Russia is a big wheat producer. It’s become better since “losing” the Ukraine which was called the “bread basket of the Soviet Union” back in the day.

The Ukraine has some of the most fertile soils in the world. And much more favorable climate than most of Russia. But just like Russia have been able to put it all together because of politics etc.

 

Any country survives. The question is how. Being locked out was just rather the norm for Iran. It's all new for Russia who is generally well integrated in the world economy. And the more integrated, the bigger the blow.

 

Thanks. You have an interesting slant, too. My story simply follows my memories and it's related to my age. My mother learnt Russian at university and thought it was pretty cool. The head of the communist Party in Australia was father to one of my parent's uni friends. My feeling is that if Putin had retired sometime over the past decade Russia would have a new lease of life again. Some of the young people seem pretty decent.

 

It shows what can happen to an exposed military convoy on a 3 mile stretch of highway. It should be easier to extrapolate from that example.

 

https://theintercept.com/empire-politician/biden-bosnia-serbia-yugoslavia-civil-war/

Joe Biden was a huge supporter of military intervention in the 90’s

 

Yep, but Ukraines airforces are pretty depleted. They can probably manage a few drone strikes though.

 

It will probably come from Russia with love.

 

Then they need a lot more drones with about a 50 mile range.

 

They just reported receiving fresh batch of armed drones from Turkey.
They aren’t running out of ammo.

 

Large exposed convoys of military vehicles will only remain a threat if NATO/EU/US leaders decide not to give the Ukrainian military the weapons they need to quickly destroy them.

The Russian military in Ukraine is a sitting duck.

 

Any reports on the type, range and payload of the drones?

 

Genuine information about Russian soldiers killed and captured in Ukraine is currently blocked in Russia. Share this video as much as you can, especially on Russian social media. We must deliver the truth!

 

48 min ago
White House: Further US moves to punish Putin are coming and targeting oil exports is "not off the table"

From CNN's Betsy Klein

White House press secretary Jen Psaki suggested Wednesday that more US efforts to punish Russian President Vladimir Putin for the invasion of Ukraine are coming as the US seeks to squeeze the Russian economy.

During an appearance on CNN, she touted the global unity from NATO and other countries aimed at “holding President Putin accountable,” citing sanctions steps and other announced moves.

“The ruble has plummeted; they kept the stock market closed because it has been so devastating, and we’re seeing the impacts already,” she said, also pointing to military and security assistance for Ukraine as she said there is “more to come to continue to squeeze Putin.”

Pressed on whether the US will target Russia’s fuel exports, she said the US “wants to maximize the impact on President Putin” and those around him but made clear that the White House priority is to minimize the impact at home.

“It’s still on the table, it’s not off the table,” Psaki said of efforts to ban Russian oil exports.
But she added, “What he (Biden) does not want to do is topple the global oil markets or the global marketplace, or impact the American people more with higher energy and gas prices. And obviously, the announcement that was made yesterday to tap the Strategic Petroleum Reserve here and do that in the united way, in a coordinated way with the global community, is an effort to address that and mitigate the impact, but that's something we heavily weigh.”

She reiterated Biden’s vow to not send US troops to fight in Ukraine but pointed to humanitarian and economic assistance.

Asked if the US is directly coordinating with its Ukrainian military partners, she said there was “absolutely” intelligence-sharing. But she declined to comment on whether US defense officials have been involved in military plans to stop the massive Russian convoy outside Kyiv, noting broadly that the US is in “regular, constant touch” with Ukrainian leaders.

She called Russia’s advances on civilian centers “frustrating,” “upsetting” and “horrifying.”

“This is a pattern of horror from President Putin and from the cronies around him,” she said.​

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