Russia Invades Brighton Beach!

The following is a parody, as should be obvious. It expresses my displeasure with Russia's invasion of the Crimea, which seems to me an inexcusable act of aggression and imperialism. I invite comments.

Russian troops today made an amphibious landing at New York City's Brighton Beach and swiftly seized control. Brighton Beach has the largest concentration of Russian immigrants in North America. Residents have long objected to US claims that just because Brighton Beach has always been part of the United States, Russian emigres living there should accept US sovereignty. With the 2014 US tax deadline nearing, the Russian government called US tax collection efforts in Brighton Beach "an intolerable provocation and an offense to Russia." Russia decided to act. Heavily armed Russian troops now patrol Brighton Beach and Russian tanks sit at major intersections. Vladimir Fascistovitch Sovietski, the Russian Minister of Aggression, announced that Brighton Beach is now part of Greater Russia and that Russia asserts sovereignty over anyplace that Russians live, even parts of other countries to which Russians have emigrated. President Obama made a stern speech condemning the Russian action, and threatened to make another speech if Russia did not at least release the Nathan's Hot Dog stand sometime soon.

 

Nicely done.

 

More real is Kaiser Willy had a plan drawn up for the military invasion of NYC before WW1.

Through the adjectives of Western News reporting there are just so many inconvenient facts.
Like the "rebels" ignoring their peace deal in less than 12 hours, occupying government buildings.

All I see going on is the West's agitators setting Ukraine up to be a client state of the EU/Germany.
Ahh, Lebansraum. Where the Russian language is illegal and globalist corporations rule.
I cannot remember so much biased news since the body counts in Vietnam. We killed them three times over.


Moi
Ukraine = Russia
as
Texas = U.S.A.

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"All I see going on is the West's agitators setting Ukraine up to be a client state of the EU/Germany." Have you had your Vitamin C? Moi, I know you're a good person, so your continued endorsement of aggression mystifies me. Do you remember that one way the old British empire expanded was by uncovering supposed threats against British abroad, and sending in its troops for a supposed "defense"?

 

as far as I see it, there was a coup in Ukraine and Russia is helping out.

And of course, it's not really anyone else's business.

 

You seem to contradict yourself. First, you say "there was a coup in Ukraine and Russia is helping out." Then you say "it's not really anybody else's business." So which is it? Ukraine has self-determination or it doesn't? Or are you saying Russia alone has the right to intervene in Ukraine? If so, why is that? Because Ukraine and Russia sprang from the same barbaric tribe 1200 years ago? Because the czars and the soviets held Ukraine as a conquered territory? You're saying past oppression justifies future oppression? What about the people of Ukraine? Have they no say in the matter? Not as much as the government of Russia? The Ukrainian people threw out a government they hated, as is their right. If you dispute this, please read the American Declaration of Independence. A "coup" is the act of a few people; the Russian stooge government was toppled by a popular uprising. Now Russia is trying to crush the Ukrainian people by force. Will you call that democracy? If Russia reinstates the hated regime the people threw out, will you call that democracy?

If you like "helping out," tell me who you think the Russian government is helping? The Ukrainian people?

 

seems as if more than 50% voted for Yanukovich in the last election

plus many in Western Ukraine want him back

but what has it to do with the EU or US though - Russia has more right because it's a neighbour and there are many Russians living in UKRaine

 

Good for them.

 

That's right. In fact no one in the United States descended from immigrants (everyone except Indians) should accept responsibility to any but the ancestral government.

By the way, how did all those Russians come to be in Crimea? Was it because Stalin exiled the Crimean Tatars because they wouldn't be subdued, and replaced them with Russian colonists? Now US libs back colonialism and imperialism!

 

I'm not sure I'd call myself liberal.

 

As you know, the last election was crooked. There was immediate and widespread protest. In fact, it's the very crooked election you invoke which was the first and best reason for popular opposition.

"Many in Western Ukraine"? Does this mean that the minority gets to decide an election? Can Republicans say "we got less votes than Obama, but we like Romney, so let's make him President anyway"? Is that your argument?

Neither the US nor the EU has invaded Ukraine. No one has a right to invade. Are you saying the US has a right to invade Mexico or Canada if we don't like something they're doing, just because we're neighbors? If we can't invade Mexico or Canada, why does Russia get to invade Ukraine?

 

No, they just supported the coup.

 

Maybe there will be demonstrations in Mogilovitch Square.

(Russian Mafya. Brighton Beach. Look it up)

 

It wasn't a coup. It was millions of people taking to the streets. That's the opposite of a coup.

 

Looked it up. Thanks for some interesting context.

 

So you think that Russia's actions towards Ukraine is the same as if Russia invaded the United States?

Personally, at this point in time- I would not risk a single American military life in the Ukraine/Russia dispute.

As an American, I can say I know the difference between someone invading the United States and someone invading someone we have no treaty obligations with at all.

Can you?

 

There's some history all readers here may not know -

Stalin and the Soviets murdered up to 15 million Ukrainians in the 1930s. Not exactly national fellow-feeling. Ukrainians haven't forgotten.

Stalin and the Soviets exiled the Crimean Tatars in 1944 and replaced them with Russian colonists. Those are the Russians in Crimea now.

 

I was careful to say my Brighton Beach scenario was a parody. The analogy I meant to draw was with the Russian assertion that they must "protect" Russians living in other countries by politically dominating those countries and backing up that domination with military force. That was Russia's excuse for invading Georgia and for its continued control of Belarus. The method is familiar to readers of history - the British empire was built in large part by similar "protection" of the English diaspora.

I don't think anyone wants US military involvement. Ukraine's government is for Ukrainians to decide - not the US or EU, and certainly not Russia. To point out the obvious, it's Russia which has invaded, not the US. I assume you disapprove of our involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan, so why are you so tolerant Russian involvement in Ukraine? So far, Obama has spoken only of economic and diplomatic sanctions. That seems a reasonable approach. Do you think we should say nothing? Do you think that if we're not willing to go to war we should look the other way no matter what happens?

To answer your question, yes, I think the invasion of one country by another without provocation is always wrong, and that rule applies equally to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and a hypothetical invasion of the US by Russia. Are you saying Ukraine doesn't have the same right of self-defense the US does?

 

It’s a lie. Elections were monitored and accepted by international body.

 

Please point out the part of my post which makes you think I am saying any such thing.

 

It’s a lie. Mostly Jewish immigrants from Ukraine live in Brighton Beach:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brighton_Beach

Brighton Beach was dubbed "Little Odessa" by the local populace due to many of its residents having come fromOdessa, a city of Ukraine.[12] An annual festival, the Brighton Jubilee, celebrates the area's predominant heritage.[7] In 2006, Alec Brook-Krasny was elected for the 46th District of the New York State Assembly, the first elected Soviet-born Jewish politician from Brighton Beach.
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Of the estimated 55,000 Holocaust survivors living in New York City as of 2011, most live in Brighton Beach.[11]

 

Oh my! There are so many "liars" around!

Why couldn't the observers see what millions of Ukrainians saw?

 

"Millions" is a minority. There are "millions" of Jews.

 

"So you think that Russia's actions towards Ukraine is the same as if Russia invaded the United States?" Yes, I do. It's exactly the same. Ukraine can defend itself just as the US can.

 

If the elected president asked Russia to land troops, would that be acceptable?