Russia is a Fascist Nation

New speculation hints that Russia may actually be a Fascist nation, according to the Mussolini doctrine, and some tidbits of Mein Kampf....

1. Russia has intense nationalistic values,IE, ultra nationalism. I don't need to provide any evidence for this

2. Fascism supports the flow of money to certain groups,IE, economic inequality. This is evident through regressive taxes and reductions as your income rises.
(A regressive tax is where your tax levy gets lower as your income does)

3. Fascism calls for state control of media and propaganda. Not only does Russia have state media, that 90% of the country uses for information, but the Kremlin reserves and has used its right to censor any form of "idealisms" that harm the state.

Most notable of use, was the recent ban of homosexual propaganda, and pro-kiev censorship.

4. In a fascist state, the corporations are the body of the nation. Mussolini said they should be nationalized, and given political power. Russia has nationalized almost all of the oil and mineral industries (85% of their exports), but several other sectors of the economy.

The corporate leaders all have power in government.

5. Mussolini's doctrine, called for imperialism to revitalize national spirit, and to build prestige. Russia using imperialism? Never....

6. In addition to economic inequality, both Hitler, Franco, and Mussolini had social inequality written into their doctrines. They pushed for the need to eliminate the influence of all minority groups, even to the point of elimination.

Chiang (My favorite fascist [Technically he was a progressive]), Pol Pot, Hitler, Mussolini, and Kim Jung Un all eliminated minorities within the country ( Chang only eliminated political groups). Now, I'm sure the Chechne's, Dagestani, Homosexuals, nomadic Pashtun's, and tartars are in mutual agreement with me here
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The only reason I made this post, is because the sole excuse I see from Russian dick yankers, is that Russia is fighting the right wing fascists in Kiev. Oh....... the irony

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markadomanis/2012/04/19/is-russia-fascist/

http://alcalde.texasexes.org/2014/05/a-certain-breed-of-fascism-jeremi-suri-on-putin/

 

The Russian Federation (do not confuse this state with the Soviet Union) is a multi-ethnic democratic state that does not commit ethnic cleansing, does not expell the native Population into open air concentration camps, does not replace the native population with migrants from different countries, does not prohibit marriages of citizens of different ethnicity, etc.

There are countries, like Israel, that has committed ethnic cleansing, that has an apartheid system, that keeps the expelled native population in camps, that destroys the homes of native people with bulldozers and replaces the natives with migrants.

Marriages between different ethnic or religious groups are forbidden in Israel.

Albert Einstein and other intellectuals called the ruling party in Israel and its leader Begin "Fascists".

His letter (signed by Hannah Arendt and other intellectuals) was published in December 1948 in "The New York Times" after the Deir Yassin massacre.

The today ruling parties in Israel are ideological followers of the Tnuat Haherut, and Begin is still honoured in Israel.

So why do some people who believe that Israel is a democracy call Russia a "fascist state".

Are non-Jews in Israel treated better than non-Russians in the Russian Federation?

 

Did I say its the Soviet Union? If your defending the Chechnyan massacres, and the political abuse of Georgians within the nation, then your dead wrong. All I can say to the "democratic" part, is lol. More like multi party despotism.

This has nothing to do with ethnic cleansing or Israel. Take that somewhere else please.

There are a dozen threads you could be bashing those "old thieving" zealots on.

He called the PM fascist, not the ruling party. You took that out of context. This was a time when fascism had pretty much became a insult on anyone with slightly authoritarian policies.

Cool, but your still being rhetorical, and are off topic

Because Einsteins testimony isn't indicative proof that Israel is fascist, is it? Israel is conservative, granted, but far from fascist.

Lol, please go away

 

[video=youtube;Woo4mGIZOZA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Woo4mGIZOZA[/video]

 

[MENTION=65431]Csareo[/MENTION]


that german guy you did respond is from the extreme right wing fraction in Germany. He does wellcome all russian strengh by hoping that will make Germany stronger. Same thinking as the Stalin - Hitler pact.

I really ask you with all my symphatie not to think that such .....does represent our mainstream. It is a forum phenomen. Here in Germany, if I meet such people I would laugh about them.

Modern Germany might be critical about the US, might be careful with strong reactions against the fascist Russia (you are right!)...but they would defenetely not share the views of the 2 fractions of Putin Lovers:

1. The communists (I think about 7-8% in last elections yesterday)
2. The extreme right wing (NPD) I think less than 1% in Germany
3. The franction of ultra selfish neoconservative german chauvinists (AFD) about 6-7%

Against that you do have all the rest: more than 80%.

By the way: also lefties like me from the Green Party are clear about Russia and clear about the USA, no doubt. Do not forget that the ex leader of the Green Party Joschka Fischer did support the airstrikes togegher with our ameriacn partners against the serbians...it was him! So also the moderate left wing is absolut a loyal allie to the west, no doubt here! .... and anti communist and anti fascist as me.

These right wing people are anti-american until the bones...

But as I mentionned before: not sexy.

Intellegence is sexy.

And his antisemitism does stink trough the internet....

Take care and have a nice day

 

No, I do not defend the Chechen Islamists who committed massacres against civilians.

What are you talking about?

Here is the quote, anyone can see what he was talking about.

And here is the history of the party that is today ruling in Israel:

Well, if some anonymous Russian-Haters in a forum say that the Russian Federation is a fascist state, then this not a proof that this really the case, either... even if some wannabe "Germans" who are spewing their hatred against Russians in their bad English is supporting your opinion.

What to Einstein - he was an intelligent and a prominent man, his opinion is more important than the opinion of some anonymous low-IQ Russian-Haters in a political discussion forum.

 

Present Russia is near to a Fascist system, it's not exactly Fascist in the proper sense yet.

At Moscow they have built an oligarchy centered on the Kremlin and with a group of power surrounding Putin and his buddies.

Fascism was based on a party with the monopole of the electoral body [there was only the Fascist Party to vote, like the old good Soviet Communist Party, or the Communist Party in China today ... actually China is more Fascist than Russia about this] and on a social diffused hierarchy [so not an oligarchy using state structures].

May be we can say that Russia is at a state of "Pre-Fascism":

an authoritarian oligarchic pseudo democracy.

 

Blurring the line between ethnic nationalism and nationalism does no one any favors domestically. Nations can benefit from nationalism since the alternative can be nihilism, depression and infighting. Russia can have nationalist pride (be nationalist) without being "fascist."

 

A facsist nation? According to mein kempf?!! Excellent proof. Self-revealing! Outstanding!!! A fascist nation!!! What a flop!

The thing is that only facsists thing that any of the nations has a peculiar and given at birth qualities. A nation of facsists is the same oxymoron as nation of thieves or a nation of traders or nation of warriors or nation of libs. Every nation consists of different people and a facsism is to think differently. Fascism is to think as you just did!
And yes. Mein kempf is of course considered a sort of bible for... fascists. A list of rules which you need to follow in order to be a fascist. But in fact it is an explanation of the race theory, which tells why germans are the superior nation and all the slavs including russians should be slaves...So technically if you refer to mein kempf russians or jews cannot be fascists. At all! Of course you referred to it not trying to prove anything. You just want to deceive those who want to believe in what they are said. Only in this case there is any sense in appealing to mein kempf.

A is B, which is proved by a fact that A is B. In fact Russia's worst enemy is nationalism of any kind as long as Russia never performed any ethnic cleansing like americans did towards indians for instance. Russians never killed the nations which lived before russians came to the territory. Russians incorporated different nations to its state. Sometimes people of different nationality becoming a part of Russia acquired more rights than russians. So absolute majority of more than 150 different people are still russian citizens. And the worst nightmare of Putin is growing nationalism of any nation inside Russia. This is actually where 30 billion USD of american taxpayers will go. They will go to different kinds of russian facists. Just the way it happened with ukrainian facsists.

Russia has got a flat rate. Every citizen not regarding the level of its income pays 13% tax. The taxation of companies is different.
However there is of course opportunities to get away from taxes. They are obviously used by those who can afford it. The state is trying to resist it.

Russia doesn't have state media. This is a lie. The control over media is done just the same way as it is done by american politicians. It is done via owners. Some of russian media are not controlled by russian state being foreign agents. That's also quite fine and even foreign agents are working in russian media. It's democracy afterall.

You should add that homosexual propaganda was banned only for kids. If you want to tell me how good it is to be a homosexual you are free to tell it to me from the pages of any russian media. But if you want to come to school and teach russian kids the same - you would be prosecuted according to the law.

As for pro-kievan censorship - i understand it is a slip of the tongue, but that is not done by russian media..., that is what western propaganda is busy with. They need somehow to explain that kicking a student in november is a brutal crime and burning a girl alive after raping her in a planned event is not worthy of mentioning... Dirty job, eh... So even a freudian slip of the tongue is against you... That's what always happens to liars. What they say turns against themselves.

Almost true. Except for nationalising russian oil and gas. For sure Putin has taken russian resources under control from the thieves of Khodorkovsky type. But unfortunately not all of russian resources are returned to its people. Far not all. In fact there is NO state corporations which have control over oil or gas.

The list of russian state corporations is the following:
1. Rosatom (nuclear energy and nuclear fuel)
2. Rostekhnologii (help to high tech russian products)
3. Fund on households renovations (soviet built housing had its advantages and disadvantages, so for the moment only the state is able to take an obligation to provide a nation with households once soviet built houses will have to be demolished)
4. Russian nanotechnologies
5. Vnesheconombank as a bank for foreign operations
6. Agency on insurance of bank deposits
7. The last one is an agency responsible for Sochi-2014 olumpics constructions.

That's it. The other companies trade there stocks on a stock exchange. So if you want to purchase Gasprom in theory you can purchase it from current owners. In theory, because free market is not that free and once russians wanted to purchase Opel technologies and made the highest bidder they didn't get it... Check the list in the Internet if you want, but you lied again...

True. That's why not all of capitalist state is a fascist, but every facsist state need to be capitalist. Communist states being far left technically cannot be facsist states by default. That is why when I heard an idiocy that communism and fascism is the same I cannot help laughing...

There was a point in russian history when we almost became imperialistic state. That happened when we took part in dividing China together with other europeans. It lead to war with Japan which luckily prevented us of becoming imperialists. Uniting different republics in one state of either an empire of Russia or Soviet Union was never done according imperialist rules. The first rule of imperialism is unequality of laws for the mainland and for colonies. Russia never had that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

According to UN, Gini index and CIA US is even more facsist than Russia according to your criteria. So you are free to choose of the following:
- whether these indexes and organisations are purchased by Putin and are non-reliable,
- or you just lied making a false criterium.
The choice is yours.

Check it yourself in Kazan, Chchen republic or Daghestan republic. As for pushtun. you would better check Obama. His military is much closer to these guys then russians.

On the basis of your post analysis I can make a supposition that you wrote this post trying to protect your facsist brothers in Kiev. But maybe I am wrong. Anyway your reason is bigger lie than anything you lied before. Good luck.

 

Csareo, I was in those regions of the former Soviet Union, in Georgia and in Caucasian regions, where Chechens live. Just like with today's situation in Ukraine, both Chechnya and Georgia-Abkhazia versus Russia, the events were poorly presented by American media, full of lies and distortions. Abkhazians hate Georgians, it is historical. They are better of with Russian Federation then being a part of Georgia. I talked with Abkhazians and, when Georgian president (originally a lawyer from New York) attempted to take Abkhazia by force, I knew what it was about. Chechen jihadists are not different from Afghan or Iraq jihadists. Remember the Tsarnaevs? Was it not enough? A Chechens can move, live or get education anywhere in Russia, the same with Georgians or Abkhazians. I knew personally high ranking ethnic Georgians, serving in former Soviet Union military, very intelligent people. The same is true about Tatars, Armenians or Kazakhs, etc. I think that Israel is better to be identified as a fascist state, ideology, nationalism, politics based on belief in their own superiority (god chosen ones) and ethnic (or racial?) discrimination inside Israel. There are American channels full of Israel propaganda about Greater Israel, including map of Future Israel much larger then it is today and brainwashing interpretations about Jewish roots of Christianity and Jewish Jesus...

 

Would you define your perception of fascism for us, please.

 

1. Nationalism and fascism- these are two different things. Do not mix them up. Ultra-nationalism exists also in Ukraine, Baltic Countries, France… So what?
2. Economic inequality? There are many countries where economic inequality is pronounced: Ukraine, India, China, etc. Taxes- for Russia it is not true. The higher the salary-the higher the tax.
3. State control of media and propaganda. Again, Ukraine, US-a lot of propaganda and media is controlled by the state. In US it is done very simple- if the newspaper gets out of the mainstream- the journalists get limited access to the state information sources. Homosexual propaganda should be banned- I support the state fully in this as this propaganda disturbs the moral basements of the society. The birth rate in Europe is already very low, so propaganda of homosexuals is a very dangerous thing.

4. Oil, gas, coal- this should belongs to the state, and to the private people. So nationalization- is the right thing for this. It has nothing to do with fascism.

5. Who are eliminated in Russia? Chechens? Have you ever been to Groznui? This city looks better now, than Moscow. Tatats- go to Kazan-Tatar Republic and see the city- they live very well.

So your statement about that Russia is a Fascists Nation is nothing more than a speculation without any strong background.

 

Interesting how Snowden had to flee to Russia to have his human rights protected.

If he were brought back to the USA he would probably be being tortured.

 

Ya know what?

The truth of the matter is, all nations, regardless of what form of government, eventually end up becoming petty tyrannies and eventually will collapse and fall apart into anarchy.

 

Fascism:

Rule by corporate interests.

By Mussolini.

 

If so, we are much closer to fascism, if Republicans would take over. Even with Democrats, we are very much under control of corporate interests. We start fake war with Iraq being pushed by corporate interests - oil. We are bullying Russia over Ukraine and we do not jail Banksters thieves.

 

Dear Vis,

I am not homosexual. I had, before I was married, may be to much women. I loved them to much.

But my dear friend: if other human beeings are homosexual, should they not also have a right to be happy? I mean I do not like adobtion rights for homosexuals (that is, because I am deeply convinced a child does need a father and a mother - my daughter is ONLY with me, when I do let her illegally drive the car in Greece - she loves that, it is daddys part, she is only with me, when she is really afraid or angry about her teacher - I protect her, diving under water and hunting fish under water she does only with me...old fashion, but cooking she likes with her mum (my food she also likes but not cooking) ect ect....ok)

BUT apart from childrens education, I cannot see anything homosexuals shall not be allowed to do and why not. I simply cannot understand that homophobie. They have a right also to be happy.

God made them as they are. If god would not have liked that, he would have made them differently. God also loves them. So we should not be different.

Let's be relaxed about it, let's give them a chance to become happy.

A society what is hostile to them, might be hostile to you next time they chose an other issue they do not like. My father was writing with his left hand. When in Nazi germany he did learn writing, they did not tolerate that telling that is "gay"...when I hugh my dad, people who do not know us might laugh. I do not care. He is my father! I am close to him and I do hugh him as I hugh my mother or wife or oncle...some people are simply intolerant!

In some parts of Turkey open emotions to children from the father also is not liked / tolerated...you start with that and end with complete restrictions.

Think about it. Homosexuals who do not bother us, shall live in total freedom I think. Tolerance is humanism. Tolerance to sexual free orientation means a strong and not a weak society. You do live in my country. You are wellcomed. But you are aware that we do differ a lot here. Not just you and me. You and almost all around you here. I politely ask you: how do you manage?

Do you tell german homosexuals to get out of your eyes? That would bring you in trouble here. If a teacher of your children is homosexual but not bothering anybody with that and you tell him or your children that is not ok for you, you directly will have problems here. Not from me, from your enternal enviroment. Also you shall understand that I do politely expect integration from foreigners as much as I like the tolerance to the difference. Your views do not match here with germans and especially not with our (!) city of Berlin.

Cheers

Take care

 

Name-calling doesn't impress anybody.

What is the rest of Europe going to do about Russia?

My suspicion is that Europe will do nothing as Putin rolls up eastern Europe.

Their economic sanctions are pointless. Putin holds the trump economic card: Energy.

 

Russia to us is the monster.

We must be prepared to face the monster.

I support that our army gets armed as never before. We must prepare the day of russian invasion, the monster will come. We all know that, simply most would not want to believe.

Ukraine is the first step. Any sort of weakness is dangerous. Only a strong finnish army can help. We must be prepared. When the russians arrive , we must be prepared to kill them all in defense fights in our forests.

Russians are heavily mistaken if they try to take us for ukrainians in that. We will resist and the russians will suffer. We will them make suffer as they never did before when the enter here.

Finnish society does get prepared to fight the monster

 

We will fight them. Trust me. Finnland wont surrender. No way. And they will pay a price they will never ever forget. Do not get mistaken. Finnland will fight Russia if the attack us.

100% and we will beat out the hell of them.

 

Russia is much like Germany pre-war without the nutcase Hitler. I don't think Putin is unbalanced like Hitler was but he is doing the same thing Hitler did minus the ethnic purification. Putin is playing on the same sentiments that Hitler did and that is wanting to gain back the prominence after losing the Cold War and using the West as it's antagonist. It plays well in a depressed economy much like it did in Germany after WWI.

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Don't quote me but I don't think Putin would be that ham handed. He plays more of a subtle political game.

 

Hitler created the sentiment and he was sentiment. Putin is serving his country and he is listening to sentiment in Ukraine. He does not want your NATO and EU in Ukraine and so do majority of southeastern Ukrainians. Nobody can deny this and nobody can overcome the fact. Putin is very patient politician. Ukraine is torn apart and he allows the events to unfold, so far. Do you know why Putin is so irritating to you? Because you could not provoke him to send troops to fight in Ukraine, but the fight is already there.

 

Taxcutter says:
Good luck, Finland. You are on your own.