Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief

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  1. zoom_copter66

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    That's been US policy since the end of WW2?!.....Cold War,Afghanistan, etc.
     
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    “We shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and success of liberty.”
    ― John F. Kennedy
     
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    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What options did Russia have?

    That might be US foreign policy as promoted by the neo cons.
    There are likely to be other diplomats with slightly more constructive ideas.
     
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    How about live in peace within their own borders and don't threaten their neighbors?
     
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    RuZZia had options....it chose confrontation....now it will suffer further dissolution.

    I remain master strategist?
     
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    No peace is possible with Putin's Russia as the dictator just uses it as time to rearm then try again. On an excellent note, Russia is cannibalizing it's air defenses on the NATO border because it is running out of both missiles and systems. Good, keep it up, the weaker fascist Russia becomes the less likely it is to be able to attack its neighbors.

    The best outcome is to give the fascist Putin no rest, keep the war going until the fascists are forced to abandon their dreams of empire, and slink back to their own impoverished country. To do anything else is to reward the fascist aggressors. Meanwhile, no air defenses for them and so fascists are less likely to feel they can attack others.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...ato-borders-kaliningrad-s-400-ukraine-2023-11
     
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    The reality is oil and gas was their primary export cash winner and it is down 65% in value, Putin has either lost or spent his cash reserves, Putinist Russia is on the economic rocks. They are out of cash, their bills exceed what they make, and his only remaining option is to either steal assets (such as people's pension funds) or print money cashing mass inflation. His back it to the wall, he sees the end of his own dictatorship, the Russian people will not accept their pensions being stolen nor their life savings being destroyed by inflation.

    Stay strong. Insist the fascists leave all of Ukraine and, in time, even the Russian fascists will have no choice but to do so.
     
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    All the Russians had to do was not invade a sovereign nation or try to dictate who may ally with whom to other sovereign nations.
    Now they've gotten their **** pushed in by a 4th rate power using NATO castoffs in public.
     
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    Easily done. Ukraine and NATO agree it wont be allowed to join. Deal done, peace in our time!!!

    Just one tin, tiny problem.

    Ukraine can still:

    - participate in training alongside NATO, member states,
    - equip itself with NATO grade weapon systems,
    - organize its units alongvNATO lines,
    - sign unilateral defence treaties with individual NATO member states, and
    - conduct joint overseas operation with NATO members if feels doing so would be appropriate.

    So tell me how do you think Putin would react to that?
     
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    It's sort of like giving up your nukes for a "security guarantee." Lay down your weapon and we won't shoot you, sort of deal. They're just trying to make sure that they can invade Ukraine later under more favorable circumstances. If Ukraine joined NATO, trying again later may not be a viable option. Short version: Russia trying to seem reasonable while actually being shady.
     
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    NATO is like sunlight to vampire Putinka.
     
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    I'm sure you were taught that in school in whatever rathole eastern country you're from.
     
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    The Cold War is over.
     
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    I don't care about Russia's options, I care about America's.
     
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    Well....I'm not from Eastern Europe Mike....seems you can't bring yourself around to that.
     
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    What do you meen zoom?Of course, you are. You are from Georgia, somewhere from around Tbilisi. You face posted on avatar clearly indicated that.
     
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    I've been to Atlanta, Georgia....but not Tbilisi?

    Viskocheh....that wasn't my real pic....as I mentioned before.....that was my buddy "Link".....why would I post my real pic here.:-D:roll:
     
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    Not according to Putie boy.....it's still red hot in his mind.
     
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    That was your real picture of course,zoom, otherwise you would not remove it from avatar. I do not know if you've been to Antanta, but for sure you've been to Tbilisi.
     
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    I removed several pics ...viskocheh....just like you from our PMs....why's that?....something to hide?

    Nope, sorry to disappoint you ,kameraden, wasn't my true pic.....someday, maybe.

    Antanta??.....never heard of that?....:D
     
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    Well if you don't want to tell me where you are from you don't have to of course.
     
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    I'm sure you've heard of the US Midwest?....SDak?.....Mount Rushmore?....Sturgis biker bash?
     
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    None of that has anything to do with where you're from. So why bring it up?
     
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    Suit yourself....you were curious , I told you....however.
     

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