Russia on the brink of collapse

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  1. predatorzds

    predatorzds New Member

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    Not exactly,and not to laugh)
    It is Moscow accent have captured Russian soldiers,there is no such thing anywhere in Ukraine.
    This is highlighted by the emphasis on G',the pronunciation of that/che etc.
     
  2. Kiwi33

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    The girl journalist have is highlighted by the emphasis on G too. Maybe she is KGB agent? Sister of Putin?
     
  3. predatorzds

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    The voices of the girl and the soldier is very different, you must be Russian speaking what would it be noted,I'm I see it.
     
  4. lunecat

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    The testimony of the Polish people that actually experienced the Russian brutality presented by people in the documentary of "A forgotten odyssey"

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJFDAXWRg5yYfa4yOa9EeFIHSgmzWOu4C

    Is worth much more than your pathetic denial of historical fact. I understand your pain being a member of a nation guilty of war crimes, of same the level of Nazi Germany. But you must first accept your guilt before you can move on.
     
  5. sharik

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    anyone can say anything in documentaries, but where's the documents?.. you Westerners, in order to troll the rest of the world, see it as acceptable to go by the mass media in relation to the matters which can only take a criminal investigation, not shoddy journalism servile to your local authorities.
     
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    Sounds like we're past the 'brink.'




     
  7. lunecat

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    Where are the documents that the Soviet system killed 900,000 Poles during 1939-1946? Ask the Soviet Government to release the documents.

    The testimony of those 1.7 million Polish citizens have already been presented to you.

    In the following :

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJFDAXWRg5yYfa4yOa9EeFIHSgmzWOu4C


    (thanks for the opportunity to post the link)

    If you wish to call those people that survived those Soviet atrocities liars, then you are free to do so, as are Germans to deny the Holocaust & Turks to deny the Armenian extermination.

    It may suite yourself to sleep well at night to believe that Russia did not exterminate 900,000 Poles, I know differently. From some Poles that I have met that also testify it did happen.
     
  8. AboveAlpha

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    We are not an Empire.

    We are a DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC and the most DIVERSE NATION ON PLANET EARTH.

    Russia complains about NATO EXPANSION.

    Well perhaps if RUSSIA AND THE SOVIET UNION BEFORE IT HAD NOT BRUTALIZED ALL THEIR NEIGHBORS.....all these Nations boardering Russia would not be trying so desperately to become MEMBERS OF NATO!!

    You can say anything you want but you can't change the FACT that more nations in the world TRUST THE UNITED STATES than they trust RUSSIA.

    The sad thing is it didn't have to come to this.

    The U.S. and Russia should be PARTNERS not ADVERSARIES.

    AboveAlpha
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    The Poles are a brave proud people and they looked the Soviets right in the eyes and told them....WE WILL NOT BE YOUR SLAVES!!!

    The Polish started it all.

    That and Reagan's massive Military Buildup......that caused the Soviet Unio to collapse.

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  10. AboveAlpha

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    Yeah....right......like Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong were so unhealthy!! LOL!!!

    It is a fact that Zero G. causes all sorts of health issues such as muscle atrophy but this can be overcome by exercise on tredmills and resistance machines.

    As far as circulation issues....that can be handled with creating a spin of the space craft that procuces a form of artificial gravity.

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  11. AboveAlpha

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    First of all the amount of Money generated from Russian Oil and Gas Exports which comprise about 80% of the total Russian Economy is TINY....and I mean.....a very small amount of money compared to the massive U.S. Economy.

    The Russian Economy in 2014 was close to $2 Trillion.....and estimates have the Russian GDP shrinking by 5.5% in 2015 and the Russian Exports of Oil and Gas increasing to 80% of the TOTAL RUSSIAN GDP IN 2015.

    This makes Russia EXTREMELY SUSCEPTIBLE TO OIL AND GAS PRICES AND SUPPLY AND DEMAND!!!

    The United States could complely collapse the entire Russian Economy within a matter of WEEKS but we don't want to do this because Putin has no issue allowing the Russian people to suffer.

    The United States as well being the #1 Manufacturing Nation on the Planet with a projected $24.3 Trillion GDP by 2023 from it's current $17.7 Trillion.....compared to Russia's less than $2 Trillion and China's $6 Trillion Economies....is in no danger at any time of needing to worry about what Russia or China are doing Economically or Militarily.

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  12. sharik

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    like, all of them in one documentary?

    seems like it doesn't. Russia dependance on oil & gas or anything else has proven to be a myth.

    then where's the collapse?

    you didn't hesitate to make Iraqi people suffer, neither you did when the USSR was destroyed and Russians had to suffer in the 1990s.
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    If Putin had not cancelled the Joint Russian/American Siberian Infrastructure and Oil and Gas Exploration and Drilling Program.....the RUSSIAN ECONOMY WOULD BE BOOMING......THERE WOULD BE MILLIONS OF GOOD PAYING JOBS FOR RUSSIAN'S......THE U.S/RUSSIAN PARTNERSHIP WOULD CONTINUE TO GROW and remember....the U.S. and Canada do not need Russian Oil or Gas.....we have more than enough of our own.........but......there exists ONLY TWO NATIONS WITH VAST EXPERIENCE CAPABLE OF DEVELOPING SUPER COLD WEATHER INFRASTRUCTURE AND DEVELOPING THE CORRECT DRILLING RIGS AND PUMPS AND SLANT DRILLING TECHNOLOGY TO PROPERLY AND DOING SO TO ALLOW RUSSIA TO MAKE A LARGE PROFIT!!!

    These two Nations are the United States and Canada.

    Eastern Siberia holds a tiny amount of the Oil and Gas that Western Siberia has...and China has ZERO EXPERIENCE developing Super Cold Weather Infrastructure.

    Fact is there IS LESS OIL COMING OUT OF SIBERIA TODAY THAN THERE WAS 12 YEARS AGO...when Putin cancelled the Joint Russian/American Program.

    WHY...did Putin cancell the Program?

    Because the U.S. would not allow Putin and his buddies TO STEAL THE OIL AND GAS MONEY FROM THE RUSSIAN PEOPLE!!!

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  14. sharik

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    looks like pretty much booming to me at this moment & since Putin came to power.
     
  15. AboveAlpha

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    A 5.5% Decrease in any Nations Economy would be seen as a DISASTER!!!

    5.5%.....that is the percentage the Russian Economy will decrease if not even more...which I hope it won't be more because I have many Russian friends who are having a very hard time......especially with how HOT it was getting in Moscow last Summer as it never get's that HOT!!!

    Those Soviet Era Apartment High Rises are JOKES as they are so HOT in the summer now older people have been passing away....and too cold in the winter so Russian's put in WOOD STOVES and cut holes for the exhaust either putting the exhaust through a window or through the wall.

    Then you have the RUSSIAN SUPER RICH...every single one a former member of the KGB, GRU, Soviet Military Brass or Old Communist Party Leadership.

    Look...I don't care what you think about me.

    But I DO CARE FOR MY RUSSIAN FRIENDS WELFARE!!

    They are too proud and will not take MONEY from me....except once when a friends daughter had Cancer.

    These Russian's WERE MY COLD WAR COUNTERPARTS!!!

    I got to know them well...as I knew just about everything about them from our Intel....but when I was in RUSSIA....providing security for U.S. Military Chemical, Nuclear and Biological Weapons Destruction Teams.....we had to go to this site not that far out from Moscow.

    It was a Bioweapons Lab that the Soviet's just abandoned and kids were actually PLAYING INSIDE!!!

    This place was our WORST NIGHTMARE and Russia did not have the money to clean up the site and this was but one site among many.

    There was WEAPONZIED SMALL POX, HIGHLY GENETICALLY ALTERED WEAPONIZED ANTHRAX....but the worst part is one level down we encountered...and the MOMENT I SAW IT I GASPED.....right on a lab couter was a HALF ASSEMBLED BIOLOGICAL WEAPON....I cannot discuss what the Weaponized Biologics were but what I can tell you is INSANE!!!

    Some SOVIET IDIOT.....had decided to use the STRING OF PEARLS WARHEAD DESIGN.....which is usually used for Chemical Weapons like VX GAS.....but in this case....and I will explain what a STRING OF PEARLS WARHEAD CONFIGURATION IS......imagine a bunch of glass....PEARLS.....but they are clear or dark....and usually hold VX Gas but in this case there was a GENETICALLY ALTERED HUMAN DISEASE......altered to be AIRBORNE CONTAGION.....as this disease was not normally airborne.....AND WORSE.....EACH..."PEARL"......which was basically a thin walled HOLLOW GLASS BALL.....was FILLED WITH THIS BIOLOGICAL CONTAGION IN AN EXTREMELY PRESSURIZED STATE!!

    If we had not gotten to this site or got there say a year or two latter.....the MORONS who had designed the method of filling these "PEARLS".....with A HIGHLY PRESSURIZED GENETICALLY ALTERED HUMAN DISEASE THAT WAS DESIGNED TO BE AIRBORNE EVEN THOUGH IN NATURE IT IS NOT......these MORONS....DESIGNED THESE GLASS BALLS POORLY and within 12 to 28 months the report stated they would have BEGAN TO LEAK OUT!!!

    That is unless some CHILD PLAYING IN THE BIO-WEAPONS LAB.....did not pick up the STRING OF PEARLS which although was attached to the base of the WARHEAD CASING......was not sealed inside and was just sitting there on the lab table!!!

    It we had not decided to go into Russia and have our Military Bio-Weapons Destruction Team work on the Biological and Nuclear Labs FIRST.....as many Russian Military Leaders who were previously CARD CARRYING COMMUNIST SOVIET MILITARY BRASS.....well they saw it as an AFRONT to the Russian Military that U.S. Military Units OF ANY KIND were operating....ARMED NO LESS.....in Russia never mind in Georgia, Ukraine, Azerbaijan....etc......if we had not convinced the Soviet Leadership it was IMPARITIVE that U.S. Bioweapons Destruction Teams got into Russia ASAP........THERE PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE A RUSSIA EXISTING TODAY OR PERHAPS MAY NOT BE ANYONE LEFT EXISTING TODAY!!!

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  16. JHoneyman

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    Bump...
    Economic collapse?
    No...Putin hasn't finished murdering his political opponents yet. He'll figure out a way to survive by 'rallying' the old 'USSR patriots' in spite of their current economic misery. Putin will go into deep deficits before 'kneeling' to the West. He's committed to this...it's his only way to stay in power.

    His 'grand plans'...a huge military build-up are merely that...plans. Russia can't afford it and his military budget is already being cut back due to declining oil pricing.

    Too bad, Putin.
     
  17. AboveAlpha

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    Russia might improve this or that weapon system.....but they are no longer a Military Threat except for the Nuclear Option to the United States.

    Since the use of Nukes is SUICIDE....especially when the U.S. currently has a very good Anti-Balistic Missile System in place and it will only get better with the addition of the FEL....FREE ELECTRON LASER....Russia cannot be considered much of a threat to the United States.

    As far as Russian Conventional Weapons Systems......THEY ARE IN A STATE OF COMPLETE DISARAY!!

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  18. Yazverg

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    :) This is why NATO didn't dare to invade Iran and is struggling to see any weak points in russian army with the help of the suicide attacks of their newly purchased allies around Russia. :)

    Russian conventional weaponry is truly not a danger for american people. Russia is a zero threat to US territory. There is simply no means to unload and supply any sufficient armies, which would have a chance to conquer the land. This is true. But it is also true that Russia have never had an aim to invade US territory. It is not our weakeness. It is what we are. We don't have aggressive military alliances around the US like it does with this never defending and always attacking alliance of NATO. That is where we are a threat to 'american interests'. Our conventional weaponry is able to kill lots of western soldiers, who are ordered by western oligarchs to attack us. And indeed we are a danger from this point of view. Our anti-aircraft and anti-missile defences are the best in the world. We haven't spent bilions of piou-piou lasers, but that is just a pure illusion and not a weaponry. Any aircraft can be shot down. Any missile can be intercepted. Our artillery and armor systems are the best in the world. In the aircraft the situation is more complicated, but I can't say that the advantage of NATO is overwhelming.

    The major part of its weaponry consists of the old soviet weaponry that was stashed in Poland and given to NATO free of charge. NATO in Europe is a paper tiger. And whether there is a conventional war - the EU lads will have to storm into Russia with old kalashnikovs and US lads will just pose for propaganda photo making. And this is a danger. Because the people who once already used nuclear bombs for political reasons would use it again once their bluff and stupidity will be eventually exposed to everyone.
     
  19. AboveAlpha

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    I don't see Putin doing anything more than use his WAR TALK to take the view of the Russian People off his theft of Oil and Gas profits.

    Putin and 110 of Putin's buddies own 35% of all Russian Wealth.

    This is the most lobsided distribution of wealth in Modern History of Nations.

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  20. Yazverg

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    Lie on a lie. In the 90s russian oil and gas was traded to the west without any taxes paid to russian state. And ALL the main thieves who did steal those times have never been a subject for western investigations. They buy villas in London. They organise political events under the supervision of Department of State. And basically all the corrupted thieves and killers are much more welcome from US authorities in the head of russian state. The russians know that and they will not eat the scum about Putin corruption that easy. For there is a big difference between the 90s and now. And we see the reaction of western leaders which is not anywhere close to the interests of russian people.
    Your oilgarchs failed to corrupt Putin. Your oligarchs don't want to compete with him using free market rules. This is why Putin is a target of propaganda and nothing else.

    So what? It is a capitalist regime afterall. '99%' of americans also know their share in the national wealth comparing to 1%. :)
     
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    Tell me Alpha, why do you always have to shout at people?

    I agree that Russia and the US could do well as partners instead of becoming enemies again. For that, blame the US. The trail of how this came about is clear and well evidenced -- and has been covered ad infinitum on this forum.

    So, Russia has every reason to complain about NATO expansion. Because they promised not to expand eastwards. But immediately broke that promise and did just that. Is this such a hard thing for so many posters on this forum to grasp?

    And, the US are an imperial empire. Imo. And the most warlike and aggressive on planet Earth.
     
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    I enjoy your illusions Alpha, but you shouldn't take any risks -- so keep taking the pills, okay.
     
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  24. Yazverg

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    Done. Before I speak - I do think. :)

    He is a politician. And he is a good politician. If Obama did everything to do the same - the world would have been a much safer place than it is now.

    And that is a legal move of a politician. If the law is not responding to the country's needs - it be changed. You cannot change the law after you do something illegal. But before - it is legal. Constitution is not Bible. It should be changed.

    He is a good student of the american oligarchs.

    That is a worst crime towards the thieves of the 90s who stole the property of the people and served US interests at the expense of ours. Putin did it to our benefit. This why your lies are so lousy. :)

    Well. We do. The Gasprom and Rosneft are the biggest tax contributors.

    Soviet times have passed. And the stakes of a leader of a nation are always high. Especially those involved into conflicts with oligarchs. JFK could have witnessed if he had a chance.

    Having a support in the nation which fluctuates from 80 to 90% the problem is a proffesional actors of department of state who act as russian society.

    If you, americans, could only learn a little bit about the countries and people you deal with in the world - you would have a great chance to remain the only world superpower for centuries and milliniums. But unfortunately your oligarchs prefer to measure all the people as if they were the same as themselves.
     
  25. AboveAlpha

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    Provide a link to one single source that shows any agreement made between the U.S. and Russia where NATO MEMBERSHIP is even discussed.

    We cannot stop a Nation from applying to become a member of NATO.

    The U.S. is but one member.

    We told the Russian's this at the time.

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