Russia running out of cash

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  1. Marksman

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    As successfully everything matched!

    In 2014 the US and their allies crossed border of independent sovereign SYRIA

    Bashar al-Assad didn't authorize invasion, not for the help to ''soft terrorists'' not for allegedly fight against ISIS.
    In any case, the current legitimate government of Syria wants you out. So get out..

    ps: I think you was mistaken, wrote about Syria...
     
  2. Borat

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    The US did not steal a part of Syria or a part of Libya or a part of Iraq or a part of Yugoslavia. It's Russia that invades its neighbors and steals their land. Well, at least you are not denying the act of theft, just pointing fingers elsewhere trying to distract attention.
     
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    Maybe he loots phony charities and that is why Trump admires him so much. Or perhaps it is just that he and his oligarchs have looted the entire country and Trump thinks that is a good role model for his presidency.
     
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    Us always acted in agreement of either the UN (and that means russia as well) or in broad international coalition.

    Russia acted alone .

    US/coalition never has annexed any of the area's it attacked or invaded, russia annaxed crimea.

    Because it didnt have to , look at chechnya russia leveled that place and killed a large part of the population and displaced most of the rest.
     
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    Well some estimate him the richest man in the world at this point. So of course trump admires him he stole tens of billions and a large part of the population still likes the guy. 10/10 on thieving and brainwashing no doubt trump wants to repeat that .
     
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    Then what's your play for getting Crimea back to the non-NATO country?
     
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    Not always. Yugoslavia-1999, Afghanistan-2001, Iraq-2003, Libya-2011 — operations which began without sanction of the UN.

    That is the question of legality or illegality solves only existence of a consent of allies of the USA? :)

    The Crimea hasn't been annexed. He has voluntarily joined Russia. Above I reasoned this moment.

    And Chechnya here for what reason? Chechnya has received sovereignty and has attacked Russia. The Chechen aggression has been stopped, though not at once and with big losses of both parties. It was very difficult period from the point of view of combat readiness of the Russian army. But nobody in the world has reproached Russia with any illegality of these operations. And today Chechnya — the restored and prospering republic as a part of Russia.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The US has killed hundreds of thousands of people in these countries, has stolen historical values, gold, etc. They not only thieves, but also murderers!
     
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    The US didn't kill hundreds of thousands, they killed each other. Nothing was stolen either by the US, unless you have evidence.

    The evidence of Russia's theft on the other hand is in Ukraine and Georgia. But you're not even denying that Russia is a thief, just pointing fingers elsewhere.
     
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    Russia not the thief. It you have no proof! Only the International Court of Justice can accuse Russia. But there is no court still. US thief and murderer! Proofs in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan...

    Just the thief and the murderer under the name of the US - very strong and dangerous therefore the international court is afraid to make the US responsible so far.
     
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    Funny how you happen to leave out the "or in broad international coalition."

    Again russia did it all on its own because it was simply an invasion to detract from internal problems.

    It shows that tens or dozens of countries believe that course is just. Unlike russia that had the condemnation of just about the entire world for its illegal annexation of part of ukraine.

    If you arent paid to spew such nonsense it would be a shame.



    Nobody? Every human right organisation has criticized russia for its inhumane treatment of its own citizens.

    Russia leveled the place for wanting nothing more then what you claim crimea wanted. The irony is obviously lost on you.

    And why bring it up? because you claim russia doesnt do this.
     
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    The proof is in the illegal occupation of part of ukraine.

    Oh and the world has condemed it :
    United Nations General Assembly Resolution 68/262 It states that russia isa (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thief (not that people already didnt know this).
     
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    This resolution - the recommendation, is not result of International court.
     
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    So? Its still shows russia condemmed by 100+countries.

    Do give me a simular resolution against any of the US actions.

    Its sad, instead of going to open democratic way russia has become a dictatorship under upper thief putin.
     
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    You don't know what is dictatorship?
    It when the US wants to interfere in Iraq for example. But the majority of the countries condemn it, including the allied countries. The US - the dictator, openly ignores all (the international community), invasion in Iraq and does there everything that wants.

    The referendum in the Crimea, has shown the highest form of democracy, by means of Putin. 100+countries was condemned Russia - why? Because are afraid that in their countries, different nationalities will want to separate from the country in such way. This democracy, about the right of any nation for a Self-determination, is dangerous even to Russia. But it is other question... Anyway, we live in the civilized world and for the present the International Courts of Justice still work. You are indignant that not legally Russia has annexed the Crimea. Please appeal to court. As earlier it was done by Georgia (2008) and has lost...
     
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    The referendum was legitimate. Any country could send observers, and to see that CNN had recorded for the history .

    [video=youtube;ydGE8TN0MQA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydGE8TN0MQA[/video]
     
  17. k995

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    Thats not a dictatorship.

    And I see that the only thing you respond is "but the US" . Well its about the occupying-&-annexing-of-its-neighbours russia now.

    Total BS, they condemn it because its a BS non free referendum that was fixed taken under a occypuing hostile force.

    There was nothing legal about it and russia never ratified the ICC neither is it busy with invasions & annexations. So even this argument(you copy pasted no doubt) is total BS .
     
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    :lol:

    reality

    Campaign

    According to BBC News the campaign leading up to the referendum was "almost entirely pro-Russian".[86] Pro-Russia election posters often featured crossed-out swastikas in an alleged attempt to be saying "No" to the Ukrainian government, who they alleged to be neo-Nazis.[86] Shortly after the referendum was called Ukrainian TV channels were made unavailable for Crimean viewers, some of them were replaced with Russian stations.[86] BBC News also stated it had received reports of violence against pro-Ukrainian activists.[86]

    Unsigned billboards and leaflets campaigning for the referendum, describing new Ukraine government as fascists and showing economic reasons to join Russia, appeared throughout Crimea.[101][102][103]


    OSCE and UN absence

    On March 10, 2014 the de facto Prime Minister of Crimea, Sergei Aksionov, made an unofficial verbal invitation to OSCE to monitor the plebiscite.[104][105] However, later in the day, an OSCE spokeswoman said that Crimea did not have the authority to invite the organization into the region as it is not a fully-fledged state and, therefore, incapable of requesting services provided exclusively to OSCE members.[105] On March 11, the OSCE chair, Switzerland's Foreign Minister Didier Burkhalter, declared the referendum as unconstitutional and therefore the OSCE would not send observers.[106] OSCE military observers attempted to enter the region four times but were turned away, sometimes after warning shots were fired,[107][108] which was another reason given for not dispatching referendum observers.[109]

    Allegations of fraud

    A Russian journalist claimed that she was allowed to vote even after admitting she was a Russian citizen with only a temporary one-year permit to live in Crimea[125] "According to all the laws, this is illegal," she said in one interview. "I am a foreign citizen. How can I decide the destiny of the Crimean Autonomous Republic of Ukraine?"[125]

    The chairman of the electoral campaign of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People claimed officials did not check carefully whether voters' names were on the electoral register and that some voters were bussed in to Bakhchysarai to increase participation rates in the city.[126] Mejlis also stated that only 34.2% of Crimea residents participated in the referendum.[127][128]

    There were few reports of people confiscating identification documents before the voting day. Simferopol city administration confirmed these claims and declared these actions unlawful.[129]

    A senior US official claimed there was "concrete evidence" of some ballots having been pre-marked.[130][131]

    According to three Czech observers funded by the pro-Russian far-right[132][122] non-governmental organization Eurasian Observatory for Democracy & Elections,[133][134] deputy Stanislav Berkovec reported that the voting was free and the foreign deputies could move freely. According to his discussions with people, even the Tatars inclined towards Russia.[135] Another deputy Milan Šarapatka reported that the referendum was formally regular and that there was no evidence of pressure on voters.[136] According to Miloslav Soušek (the Vysoké Mýto mayor), the course of the referendum was comparable to the elections in the Czech Republic, he saw no soldiers in the town.[137]



    ANd more important :

    Legal aspects

    What doesn't help for consensus concerning the legal basis of Crimea's March 16 referendum is that the reactions of many nations to the referendum, particularly of Western-nations, were actually addressing the matter of Crimean secession from Ukraine, whereas the Crimean referendum itself was not about secession from Ukraine, but took Crimea's secession from Ukraine to already be de-facto following its government's declaration: Crimea's March 16 referendum occurred following the March 11 declaration of Crimea's independence from Ukraine made by Crimea's parliament, which was made following a successful parliamentary vote of 78 in favour of, and 22 against Crimea's secession from Ukraine.[3] Both of the ballot options for the March 16, 2014 Crimean referendum acknowledged that Crimea was already an independent state at that time.[87]

    According to article 73 of the 1996 Constitution of Ukraine[88] and article 3 of the 2012 Ukrainian law "On all-Ukrainian referendum", territorial changes can only be approved via a referendum where all the citizens of Ukraine are allowed to vote, including those that do not reside in Crimea.[89] The Central Election Commission of Ukraine also stated that there are no judicial possibilities, according to the legislation of Ukraine, to initiate such changes.[90] [91]

    The Venice Commission declared that the referendum was illegal under both Ukrainian and Crimean Constitutions, and violated international standards and norms.[92] The Venice Commission stressed that self-determination was to be understood primarily as internal self-determination within the framework of the existing borders and not as external self-determination through secession. Moreover, the Venice Commission opined, any referendum on the status of a territory should have been preceded by serious negotiations among all stakeholders, and that such negotiations did not take place.

    Many scholars and politicians (Neil Melvin, Robert McCorquodale, John Kerry, John B. Bellinger III, Marc Weller among few) have stated that the referendum was conducted under the cover of assault rifles and, thus, the result was obtained through violence.[15][16][17][93] However, according to Russia Today and ITAR-TASS those claims are debunked by many of the international observers such as a Polish Eurosian Mateusz Piskorski (leader of the European observers' mission according to the Russian RT), Ewald Stadler along with Johannes Hübner, Pavel Chernev, Aymeric Chauprade, Tatjana Ždanoka, Srđa Trifković among some 135 observers who attended the 2014 Crimean referendum, including some MPs of the European Union parliament, and MPs of European states who said they saw no signs of pressure or military presence during the referendum, and that the Crimean people were genuinely eager to have their say in the vote.[94][95]

    Party of Regions MP Yuriy Miroshnychenko claimed March 11 that "the Crimean referendum is illegitimate, and its holding must be immediately stopped".[96] Another Party of Regions MP, Hanna Herman, commented the same day about Yanukovych's press conference, "He needs to ... prevent the illegal referendum".[97]

    President of Russia Vladimir Putin during his conversation with Mustafa Dzhemilev, a former Chairman of the Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People, stated that Ukrainian Independence from the Soviet Union was not obtained legitimately,[98][d] while maintaining that the Crimean referendum followed all international-law, the UN charter, and the convention established by Kosovo's NATO-prodded annexation from Serbia.[100]
     
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    Only full idiots may believe the Crimea's referendum needed any frauds.
     
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    What wild country you from? I once again repeat. In the modern civilized world, only the court defines guilt or not something. Ukraine and Georgia can appeal to court if they want. Iraq and Libya can't because the USA has destroyed statehood of these countries, have killed governors and occupied these countries.

    ps: (The US the dictator - dictates own rules in Iraq)
     
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    Once again the Western powers are driving down the oil price in an attempt to destroy Russia. They did the same in 1991 to destroy the old Soviet Union. The Saudis play ball with the US, one ignores their unpleasant extreme political fanaticism whilst the other keeps the oil price low by over production.
     
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    Do you even know what ratify means? As long as russia doesnt ratify the treaty the international criminal court cant even start a case against thieving and invading putin.

    I wonder where you get this BS?
     
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    Territorial problems are considered not by International Criminal Court, (anyway US the main opponent of it) but International Court of Justice. (In 2008 — 2011 in Court was the case in which Russia acted as the party in a dispute has been considered with Georgia.)
     
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    Russia's reserve fund is functioning as it's intended to cover budget shortfalls. The Russian government transferred $6 billion from the reserve fund to cover a gap in the budget as well as in April and May, totalling $18 billion so far. Saudi Arabia and Russia would agree on an output cap to raise oil prices later this year, which fell from above $100 two years ago to below $30 earlier this year.
     
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    1) Great !!! The OSCE does not send civilian observers, but sends the military observers. The military to the civilian referendum. This is a great idea !!!:clapping:

    2) The OSCE did not send civilian observers to the referendum in order to clarify the situation.
    OSCE immediately announced referendum illegal, and then announced that for this reason will not send observers. It is the apogee of democracy and liberalism.:applause:

    3) I remind you of the situation in which the referendum took place in Crimea. .This is very important in the case.

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    [video=youtube;xCl5F043ClM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCl5F043ClM[/video]
    [video=youtube;7eTuFAR169s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eTuFAR169s[/video]
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    In Kiev, the rebels made a coup by force.
    The rebels overthrew the legitimate president of Ukraine.
    The rebels seized power in Kyiv and throughout Ukraine (except Crimea)
    Crimea residents did not want to live under the authority of the rebels.

    If the rebels "have the right" to overthrow the legitimate president, then the residents of Crimea have the right to overthrow these rebels. >>>> it is If we argue from a democratic point of view.
    Is not that right, Dear Mr. Democrat k995?
     

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