Russia Says No to GMO Seeds

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Do you feel GMO's are dangerous?

  1. No....

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  2. Yes.....

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  3. Not sure..... but am researching.

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  4. Without GMO's we cannot feed the world.

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  1. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Congratulations to your daughter first off (and to your checkbook). Forgot to include that.

    Sugar is where the "GMO's are poisons" crowd usually breaks down. over half of US sugar comes from GM sugar beets. Since the sucrose has the same chemical make up as sucrose from cane sugar the anti-GMO's try to rationalize that it isn't a GM product, because quite simply, they like sugar and aren't willing to give it up for the cause.
     
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    I just don't think GMO crops are needed. A man in Alabama produced a tomato plant that was over 16 ft tall and had a yeild of 300 lbs of tomatoes from one plant. The world record yeild for corn was over 535 bu. per acre. Again non GMO. It was hybrid corn. I just don't see a need for GMO seed. The secret to crop production is in the biology that is in the soil. Not too long ago we thought all that a plant needed was NPK. Now it is up to 42 nutrients for plant growth. Agronomists always talk about the chemical and physical properties of soil and seldom speak of soil biology. But the secret of production is soil biology. There is more organisms in one hand full of good soil than every person that has ever lived on earth. It's the ecology of the soil that needs improvement. This also reduces irrigation, nitrate and phosphorus pollution in rivers and streams, sequester carbon, and improve farm profit. The soil needs improvement... not the plants.
     
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    The next big thing in ag. will be liquid soil conditioner. Just wait and see. Free stuff for sale.
     
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    a 16 foot tall plant doesn't supply Ragoo's tomato needs
     
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    Just showing the production potential of one non GM plant.
     
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    And some people go the opposite way with no water gardening that produces smaller and less abundant yields but require little to no additional watering other than when the plants are first put in. Individuals can grow their own food as they can (and should), but when they rely on other people for their food, they must accept that those businesses will do what works best for them. a 16 foot tall plant may not be the best option for a commercial field grower or some other set up. Businesses will do cost-benefit analysis based on what they have to work with, which may not be what 16-foot tall tomato guy has to work with. In addition, a lot of the stories I hear about crazy results are heavily dependent on manure fertilizer, and commercial livestock is not necessarily the best thing for the planet as is.
     
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    But putting carbon back in the soil is the very best thing we can do for this planet.
     
  8. DennisTate

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    This is exactly what I think as well.

    It seems that the ability to PATENT plants.....
    is the driving force behind much of the shift toward GMO's

    Many substances with significant medicinal properties.... even on cancer and HIV have been studied
    over these past four decades..... but when the company sponsoring the research found out that they could not
    patent the active ingredient...... they lost interest in further research.

    Dr. Ben Carson is one of the few people who has attempted to make the LGBT community aware of
    potentially highly effective..... .and relatively low cost...... and natural remedies for AIDS.

    (PoliticalCentre.... I believe that you may be shocked by some of the statements that I quote in the first four replies to this discussion)!

    http://www.politicalforum.com/health-care/453165-why-would-dr-ben-carson-make-such-claims.html

    Why would Dr. Ben Carson make such claims?
    I believe that he made these statement because he seriously considered that they were true!

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/29/inside-ben-carson-s-cancer-scam.html

    Inside Ben Carson’s Cancer Scam
    Note...... the article quoted is an attempt to discredit Dr. Ben Carson both as a physician......... as well as a political candidate................. but this illustrates how firm Dr. Ben Carson's belief is that nutritional sugars have great potential to assist conventional treatments to be more effective.


    ........
    Dr. Ben Carson..... like myself..... believes firmly that the 1970's research on the aloe vera plant that resulted in the discovery of a nutritional sugar, (labelled mannose)..... has a great deal of potential.

    Impressive tests are taking place in Kenya that prove that nutritional sugars do somehow help HIV patients.

    We actually knew that since the '80's or '90's though! (Incidentally.... aloe vera juice can be purchased at Walmart for about ten dollars per gallon)!

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Glyconutr...-HIV,--According-to-African-Leaders&id=112315

    Glyconutrients Offer Real Hope in Battle Against HIV, According to African Leaders


     
  9. politicalcenter

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    I agree with most of what you say and considering the plethora of drugs on the market ..with horrendous side effects.... alternative solutions should be considered. But I would also point out that if a person is sick they need to see a medical professional and don't go whole hog on over the counter miracle cures. IMHO the best cure is prevention. The food we eat is key.
     
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    This is a study that doesn't consider proper land management. I will agree that feedlot production is bad for the environment and pollutes the ecosystem. But proper management of livestock can actually improve carbon capture in soil. We must consider how a natural system works. The animals bunch up on the land because of predator pressure. This also keeps herds moving. When an animal grazes a plant the plant responds to stress by releasing exudates. These exudates stimulate biological diversity in the soil and this in return feeds the plant. A grass plant normally has at least four times the carbon stored in the root system it has in the above ground green matter. When the top of the plant is grazed do the roots fall off? No....unless overgrazed. After grazing the plant sucks up more carbon. This is a benefit to soil structure and sequesters carbon. If you are truly interested you should Google Dr Laura Ingham or the farmer Gabe Brown.
     
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    Cows pollute more than cars. That cows have some benefit to organic farming does not negate the harm they do to the environment.
     
  13. politicalcenter

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    Only when not properly managed. This is the place where most people stop. Cows produce methane. Methane is bad. Therefore cows are bad. But properly managed rangeland can be a benefit to the environment. How many Bison roamed the great plains? Did they pollute the environment.
     
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    Are we Americans and Canadians going to waste two or three or more decades
    figuring out that Genetically Modified Organisms are bad for us and our kids?

    Are we going to take decades to figure this out and then come to depend on Russia
    for better seeds for agriculture?

    http://www.edgarcayce.org/about-us/blog/blog-posts/out-of-russia-will-come-hope

     
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    I have read that cow manure is one of the best substances for restoring beneficial bacteria to
    soil after long term usage of chemical fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides and fungicides, have virtually sterilized the soil.

    http://homeguides.sfgate.com/manure-vs-humus-compost-77952.html

     
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    But one must consider resistant herbicides in cow manure. Broadleaf herbicides can pass right through the digestive of ruminate animals and horses and remain in the soil for up to five years. It can cause severe damage to tomatoes and legumes at just a few parts per billion. Even if the livestock owner does not use products such as Grazon it can be in store bought feed and hay brought in from other farms. But the herbicide doesn't seem to cause harm to the animals and it doesn't harm grasses so it would be a good addition to pastures. You can fill a small container with the manure mixed with soil and plant a few beans seeds in it to test for the chemicals. Or you could use a tomato plant. If it has the resistant herbicide in it you can tell within a few weeks. The three compounds to look into are clopyralid, aminopyrlid, and picloram.
     
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    Or you can just google "killer compost ".
     
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    Wow!

    Some people will sure take major risks to prove what they believe in is good.

    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/...de-spills-accidents-may-alter-farmworkers-dna
    Researchers Find Pesticide Spills, Accidents May Alter Farmworkers' DNA
     
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    I find it amusing that people concentrate on the plant rather than the soil it is grown in. Amusing but sad. Research into the soil food web is slowly changing farming for the better.
     
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    Some people do not want FOOD controlled by huge corporations that think they are above morality.
     
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    The large corporations are like the big pharma drug pushers. It has gotten so bad that even hay and straw is poison. And the poison leaches into the ground water and ends up in you. 5 parts per billion can kill your garden. They say 500 parts per billion is safe. So...watering your garden with the water you drink can kill your plants.
     
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    Like Stalin when he starved millions to death?
     
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    Uncle Ferd says GMO makes him virile...

    ... an' gives him stamina in bed...

    ... anna womens don't seem to complain.
     
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    This ties in with the documentary series..... Infestation, that is available on Netflix.
     

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