Russian General: Why Assad can't win the war in Syria

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  1. unbiased institute

    unbiased institute Member

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    You must really love repetition
    So what. I posted it before you even commented on this topic but even your first comment was to insult me.
    Well done :applause:
    Yes because you were pretty rude.
    Because you wanted to discuss it.
    Well what you've just written is illogical and shockingly stupid also you are the only one that is complaining about not being able to find the post which offers my criticism's about the article. JUST YOU.
    Well that was an exceptionally weak retort.
    Although to answer your query (as I always do) There isn't a section of such a description and it is not my style nor my preference.

    You sound a lot like a broken record and like a broken record it should get chucked out or mended

    You should read, then think and then post
    Goodbye
     
  2. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Well-Known Member

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    I am just so glad that, early in the discussion I had with "unbiased institute", I realized that I wasn't going to get anywhere worthwhile extending the discussion with him and quickly called it quits!
     
  3. unbiased institute

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    You weren't willing to entertain any other opinion and the moment I expressed an opposing view you then promptly decided that you were vastly superior which I declared as being juvenile.

    I think that its fair to say that you have never known what your are talking about and that you like so many Iranians subscribe to conspiracy theories.

    BTW you are a monumental coward.
     
  4. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What is the FSA ? The FSA is an invented term which is designed to fool people into thinking there is some significant "moderate rebel force" in Syria.

    No such significant moderate force existed in 2011 when the armed insurrection began and does not exist now nor or anywhere in between.

    There may have been a few local bands of insurgents who pretended to be moderate to get US weapons but these groups, if not immediately turning their weapons over to Al Nusra were fighting along side Al Nusra and taking their marching orders from Al Nusra.

    The moderate rebels are (sans a few exceptions that no one can seem to find) all Islamists (want strict sharia theocracy to be the law of the land/political system)

    What part of this do you not understand ?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is nothing illogical in my last post ?

    You claimed to have posted something relevant but, this post was not to me. When I asked you for the number of the post that had something you claimed was relevant you refused to give it to me and told me to go find it for myself.

    Why on earth would I go on a search to prove that you have said something relevant when my claim is that you havn't?

    The mere fact that you would suggest something so illogical says much and I am the only one that has noticed.

    Quit blaming others for your own flaws.
     
  6. unbiased institute

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    I genuinely didn't believe that you could have come up with anything more moronic. My god.
    Haha :roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol::roflol:
    Ok final goodbye before I laugh myself to death.

    P.S. Actually you should do standup comedy. You wouldn't even have to come up with any jokes; you just have to speak.
     
  7. AboveAlpha

    AboveAlpha Well-Known Member

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    HA!!

    There has NEVER been a free and fair election in Syria!!!

    NEVER!!!

    Same thing in Iran...NEVER!!!

    The reality is that Russia has finally come around and understands that they are never going to get Economic help from the United States as the Russian Economy is failing badly and quickly.....as long as Putin continues with support of Assad.

    Now in PUBLIC.....Russia will continue to show support for Assad but in PRIVATE....both the United States and Russia have come to a number of understandings and agreements as both NATIONS know....that the ONLY way to get ISIS under control without having the U.S. Military completely obliterate a vast majority of the Middle East is to get the Sunni Arab Nations on board with solving the ISIS problem and they will NOT do this as long as Assad remains in power.

    The United States has made it clear we want Assad GONE.....but at the same time we are aware that Assad all in his effort to remain in power protects Christian's and other Non-Sunni Muslims in Syria which ISIS would surely kill.

    Russia is aware that as long as Assad is being given strong support from Russia the United States will not help Russia get out of it's current Economic DEPRESSION as Russia will be seeing NEGATIVE GROWTH for years to come without U.S. help and without our help the Russian economy will collapse.

    Plus Russia is also aware the Arab League Nations need to get on board to solve this problem.

    In the end what will most likely happen is Assad will be granted asylum in Russia and the United States, Russia and NATO along with the Arab League will have to restructure the nation of Syria.

    We have already made it clear if we see any Qud's Force in Syria or Iraq or in that area will will target them as a hostile terrorist Force.

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  8. unbiased institute

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    Agreed. The Syrian constitution prior to 2012 made it incredibly one sided and even with the 2012 reforms its still not fully inclusive when it comes to Syria's diverse population.
     
  9. AboveAlpha

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    This is how a Syrian Election is run!!

    You walk into the voting area and a few guys with GUNS say to you..."YOUR VOTING FOR ASSAD RIGHT?"

    Then you and the 2 guys with guns all say at the same time as you all nod your heads...."Rrrrriiiight!!"

    Then they watch you fill out your ballot help you put it into the box and then yo go home.

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  10. unbiased institute

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    I don't think I came across that. However prior to 2012 only members of the Ba'ath party could actually be president and even now its still a requirement that the president has to be a Muslim.
    Irrespective of all the statements about Syria being a modern secular democracy it still had enormous political and administrative problems.
     
  11. AboveAlpha

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    Thing is Assad and his family are Alawite.....Shia sect.

    They only represent a small percentage of the entire Syrian population which is vast majority Sunni.

    The last elections where they said Assad won....lol.....well they over is it as they reported more people voting in areas than there were people even still there as a large percentage had left due to the fighting and many of the people they said voted for Assad were not even in Syria anymore!! LOL!!

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  12. Iranian Monitor

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    While I fully appreciate Russia's stance in the Syrian civil war, when things really looked bleak for Assad and the Syrian people back in 2011-12, and Washington and everyone else were saying "Assad must go" and most so-called analysts were saying Assad's days are numbered, it was Iran and its allies that stepped in and prevented Assad from suffering the same fate as the likes of Qaddafi and Saddam. The difference was that Qaddafi and Saddam may have had good relations with the Russians, but they weren't friends of Iran. Assad is an ally of Iran and it will not be up to Russia to decide his fate.

    The Russians might take on a number of postures towards Syria as events unfold: they might strengthen their cooperation with Iran in the fight against the anti-Assad coalition, in which case I am sure the latter will be vanquished. They might try to have their 'cake and eat it too', so to speak, and while helping the pro-Assad forces in the manner they have been doing, also try go find solutions acceptable to those who want the opposite things. In which case, we will see a continuation of what we have seen. Or they might totally withdraw from the fight altogether, in which case we will be back to where we were between 2012-15 or where we have been in the efforts to weaken and destroy another Iranian ally, Hezbollah. But Syria's fate will not be decided by the US and Russia, no more than Hezbollah's fate was decided by them despite the UN Resolutions which the Russians have supported calling for Hezbollah to be disarmed.
    You live in a fantasy world. In the real world, things are different. Btw, there was this rather cute article in the LA Times a while back about the leader of the Quds force, General Soleimani.

    http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-supermani-fabled-general-20150304-story.html
     
  13. AboveAlpha

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    Well you should know Iran pulled out of Syria and there are very few if any members of Qud's Force in Syria right now.

    My Team and I ran into an captured members of Iran's Qud's Force in Iraq as they were in a van LOADED with Shaped Charge Devices they they intended to show the Mahdi Army how to use as IED's.

    They had Diplomatic Papers and usually we would shoot on SIGHT anyone with such devices but in this case we had no choice due to the Diplomatic aspect so we confiscated the van and everything in it....put them in a truck and drove them right into a SUNNI AWAKENING run village.....told them to get their asses out of the truck and walk back.

    Never did hear what happened to them?

    LOL!!!

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  14. unbiased institute

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    For once we are actually in agreement. Syrian democracy is a rotten democracy.
     
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    It's not Democracy.

    It's a DICTATORSHIP!!

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  17. Iranian Monitor

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    Yeah, right!:smile: Western propaganda on the issue is actually quite amusing; at one point a few months ago, to lower the morale of the pro-Assad forces, the US tried to imply Iran was pulling out of Syria. Then, when Iran more openly acknowledged its presence in Syria and send some of its combat units into the fight, the propaganda went into the reverse gear and made equally ridiculous claims of 60,000 Iranian troops fighting in Syria!

    Based on open source accounts, the US military estimates that around 16,000 troops fighting in Syria are directly led by Iranian officers. To be sure, most of those troops are not Iranian, but are volunteers enlisted in the fight by Iran from Shia communities in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. But certainly a portion of those forces are Iranian and their number might be growing as Iran has started to send some regular combat units to the fight as well.
    I don't know anything about you or your team and whether the story your recount is the product of one your regular fantasies. But I do recall certain Iranian diplomats who were captured by the US and another operation which the US alleged was in retaliation of the Americans taking those Iranians as hostages.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._raid_on_the_Iranian_Liaison_Office_in_Arbil
    U.S. raid on the Iranian Liaison Office in Arbil
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karbala_provincial_headquarters_raid
     
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    MY regular fantasies??????

    That coming from the guy who thinks Iran's Navy would be anything more than a SPEED BUMP FOR US??

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  20. cerberus

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    Be careful, because those in the region are smarter than you, and that braggadocio could turn round and bite you like it has before? Iran? Afghanistan? Is there no limit to your arrogant self-belief?
     
  21. Iranian Monitor

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    Come'on, your fantasies are quite original! In my case, you are complaining about what others have said.

    http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...at-a-u-s-iran-naval-showdown-could-look-like/
    What a U.S.–Iran Naval Showdown Could Look Like
    http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-china-or-iran-vs-us-navy-who-wins-sea-control-16716
    Russia, China or Iran vs. US Navy: Who Wins? (A Sea Control Showdown)
    http://www.businessinsider.com/iran...io-for-the-us-navy-in-the-persian-gulf-2012-7
    Iran Is Readying A 'Nightmare Scenario' For The US Navy
    http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/security/01/01/supporting-iran-is-a-must.html
    Attack on Iran Would Spell Disaster for US Naval Forces

    P.S.
    Lets keep this discussion for the other thread, where it belongs, and keep this one focused on Syria.
     
  22. cerberus

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    There's no need for any of that in US elections because the electorate is so trustful of the political class that manipulative rhetoric does the job just as well.
     
  23. AboveAlpha

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    Not smarter than me.

    We warned DC what would happen and I have told you this how many times?

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    LOL!!


    It would seem you do not understand the concept of articles designed to SELL PAPERS!! lol!!

    Iran's entire Navy would be sunk in less than 36 hours and 90% of it would be destroyed within 6 hours.

    You are living in FANTASY LAND!! LOL!!

    AA
     
  24. Iranian Monitor

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    These are reports dealing with the US military war gaming a war with Iran, and giving its conclusions to American policy makers. This is not about fantasy, but the real details that go inform why the US invades and attacks certain countries on the slightest pretext and takes a lot more caution doing so elsewhere. What you are saying, on the other hand, is what is pure fantasy.
     
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    Yes you have told me many times, but the point is that DC will ignore you again just like it did then; in fact, as little regard as I have for the Pentagon (our MoD is even more useless - seems to go with the territory?), I have even less confidence in the WH. The political classes in both of our countries seem to have lost the plot.
     

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