Russian Jew,tycoon Boris Berezovsky found dead at his UK home/why and who killed him?

I have just the same information in the Internet as anyone. Putin can act differently, because his social platform is the most stable in the world at the moment. I don't see any of Putin's benefit out of Magnitsky's death. Feel free to tell any information which will be followed by at least common sense.

 

ic. i.e. no-where supported internet rumors/pizdezh .

you have a funny logic. anybody told you here, in this topic, that putin killed magnitsky?

lol. what do putin’s social platform (the most stable in the world at the moment ) have to do with this case? you read your own posts at all before you write them here?

 

Oh, My God...Putin has the most stable social platform in the world , do you mind to answer why and where he got it?

 

It's funny, I think you like Putin as rock star. Almost any your fantom - definition of error in the of policies of Putin you perceive as a reason to try to proove that your mind is working.
But where is the error?

 

be sure, i dont like him, but i agree he is a rockstar...

ps

 

It's easy. He got it in Russia, because of different results of his activity and even things that happened during his presidentship(s). Most people acquired a better level of living. It's a fact. It could have happened because of high oil prices or gas prices but it did happen and this success is tied to the name of Putin. Next all the rubbish people that were under numerous tycoons like Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky, Gusinsky and others disappeared from the TV channels. During the 90s it was a torture to see them and to hear them, people were dying because of heart attacks during these disgusting shows, but finally they had to leave. The majority of Russia wanted these people dead, but Putin was not as bloody as the one could be. Besides, Putin started a policy that makes at least a feeling that Russia is an independent state which regards the opinion of its citizens more then the desires of western european establishment.
This is not everything, but this is definetely the things most important.

And yes. One question in return. Who is the candidate or political party which has more percentage in people's likes in any serious report or even your belief if not Putin? So if I am wrong and Putin hasn't earned his popularity in Russia and even over the world, then who is the one who does have it?!

 

Of course, not. 'Pizdezh' is something that is spread by headless people who are not able to think, answer the questions and talk for themselves. I don't meet these criteria, but some of the people I talk to - do it.

People who are able only to spread 'pizdezh' don't have any other way of thinking. So I don't need to ask every such a person about his particular way of understanding the facts. You know one - you know them all.

That is the only bad reason for Putin to conceal officials who as supposed by Brauder, Berezovsky, Khodorkovsky or the people who receive salary of billion dollars that was sent to non-commercial organisations in Russia last year are guilty in Magnitsky death.

 

May I ask you what do you mean by that term - “social platform”? could you give the definition of this expression? How would you determined that putin’s social platform is the most stable in the world at the moment ? What is the measure of stability?

you mean only Russian political party and candidate from RF or not?

 

I like the way you think.
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You see, I’m afraid the person who gives those statements looks like an ordinary incompetent internet fibber or just pizdun (just value judgment ) >

(it was about the ethnic criminal groups in Moscow)

(btw did you read the forensic medical examination? I’m afraid this is the the typical no-where supported internet crap(pizdezh) like analogous one – “Putin do kill Magnitsky”)
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v ogorode buzina a v kieve dyad’ka

Are you sure that you have understood that my post correctly?

 

it has nothing to with Putins great vs. Gobis terrible with job in 80s -90s. it has to do with super high oil prices or gas prices ...even more im sure you could do his job better (if you have a good heart) i m sure you will start with Russian oil fond

 

I don't need you to like it. Like those who want it from you. I just want you to think it over. Maybe you will like it as well.

Don't be afraid. Think why you estimate ine way of thinking this way and the other - another way. Maybe you will find the exact people who made you think the way you do and repeat their opinion the way you do. And yes, I still think that the money that is spent for orphanages by russian state is too good, because it is much more than the same state spends on kids who have parents. And I still don't see ethnic bands in Moscow as a major threat anywhere except for the Internet.

I don't need to know more than any of the Magnitsky bill voters in USA parliament about the issue in order to have an opinion as valuable as theirs. No, I haven't read and investigated the issue as attentive. I just read different sides for facts and attitude. That is enough. More than enough.

I am sure, because I have never read in your posts anything I haven't read before.

 

I would start just with the step that Putin started. I would stop the agreement on share of product which made Russia paying to western companies for the right to give them oil for free. And my second step would be separating policy from ambitious businessmen like Khodorkovsky or Berezovsky. And to tell you the truth I am not sure that even those steps I could have taken better than Putin. Making a fund anywhere is making a food for criminals and thieves.

Ah, yes. And I am not sure that I would have the same bloodless solution in Chechnya as Putin did. I would use terror and any means of warfare to any country which allows their citizens to use anything that can be estimated as anti-Russian propaganda. So, I think I would have rather destroyed the world or in the very best case for the world destroyed Russia as an independent state

 

It’s good.
But I told you (and gave examples) inspections reveal a lot of abuses in orphanages
+ you have to realize that many of the crimes committed against the orphans have the latent character.

Yea, it seems that’s enough for you. and you may continue to give no-where supported rumors

Really?
Btw, some month ago minister of internal affairs said during a board meeting
- the fighting against the criminal ethnic groups is a foreground task.
Therefore , one of you gave crap, right? I think - you gave one

I bet you mean those words ? -
“you gave crap”

 

And you lied. Because you gave a link for an article which describes a visit of one of the journalists to an orphanage. Inspections after all kinds of orphanages (including families that take orphans without being their parents) are numerous and very strict. There is no point to think that there are a single crime more than is found by inspections.
You can continue thinking that a fact is something that you want it to be, but don't expect anyone to live in your imagined world. A fact is not a single article. A fact is a long last tendency which is seen, proved and felt.

And I said that a minister can find himself any task he wishes, but it will never prove a false statement that ethnic bands are a major threat in Moscow. There is just no logical link between it. At least in this real world where I live.

 

Stop give a crap. Even if journalists gave bullship in this article - I gave some other links. If you forgot about these links check it out once again
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Correction - Minister can find any task he wishes to his staff

I admire your logic.
How do you think what does minister mean by that? - the fighting against the criminal ethnic groups is a foreground task.
And how do u think why he did this statement? (just gave a crap for no apparent reason like some users here )
And tell me pls what are the major threats in Moscow?

Of course
But in my view there is no logic in your statement. >

 

And I did comment on them.

Use it. There is no need to admire. There is only one logics possible.

I have no idea. Maybe he plays the same team as Rogozin. Maybe he indicates some bands that he is aware of there plans. I don't have an idea why a minister says this or that. He definitely has a reason.

Traffic jams and traffic. This is the most overloaded traffic I have ever seen in my life. And it brings threats every minute to everyone. Then I would tell about prices. The prices in Moscow are higher than in the eastern bazaar, especially in the city. The third place I would give to crowdy events, because of possible terrorist attacks and because of the crowd threat as it is. These threats will face every traveller in Moscow and maybe one in hundred thousand will ever meet someone from an "ethnic band".

P.s. Just for the reason that you see yourself how lousy your arguements are.
http://www.komitet-nso.ru/news/1759/
Crimes happened in 2004-2009 and the person was convicted. It's an example of how good the guys started to investigate orphanages.

http://www.sledcom.ru/news/71015.html
This also happened in 2004-2009 and the person was convicted. It's an example of how good the care is taken. Otherwise you would have offers in the Internet for sex with orphans.

http://www.rg.ru/2011/09/16/reg-szapad/sanitarka-anons.html
This is also a found case. It also happned recently and could have been concealed.

http://www.bashprok.ru/news/news.php?ID=4510
This is the best proof that Russian orphanages are being taken care of. Think why. Test your logics.

http://www.prokuratura.chita.ru/press-service/news/?id=4215
This is aproof even better then the previous. Just read it.

http://prokuratura.ivanovo.ru/прокуратура-ленинского-района-г-иван-5/

The same.

If you are not able to think logically - try to imagine what would happen with the check in a state which doesn't take care of their orphans. And what happens in case that a check by the state is made in the orphanages which start ed to take really good care of the orphans. A fact is a tendency and the tendency of your links shows that all the rapists (if not all than most of them), who raped orphans in 2004-2009 are in jail. The kids are getting proper food and if they are not getting or if they get just the same as the staff of the orphanages think to be safe for themselves - the state fines the employees and insists on feeding a proper food to the orphans. And even the check of firefighters doesn't end with a 50 000 rur vzyatka given to the officer by a director. But it ends with a 15 000 RUR official fine and the news in the Internet about it just for the reason that the way out of the orphanage in case of fire is made of the material vulnerable to the fire (it tells that all the rest fire-fighting rules are met in this orphanage! And it is a hell of money, efforts and care).
So now, once you made sure that your way of thinking doesn't have any logics and you just want to live in the world where russian orphans are neglected - please tell do you feel ashamed?

 

It was just irony.

Maybe the reason is that in the Moscow, the number of crimes committed by members of ethnic organized crime groups, two times more than in other regions of the country?

The organized crime groups including the ethnic organized crime groups are the big and real threat as well.

You know that Chechen etnic criminal group in Moscow has a close relationship with Chechen militants?
and who was responsible for Nord-Ost and some other terrorist acts in Moscow?

Lol what?
You gave crap again. It seems you an adult man, right? Shame on you.
Opayt’ 3,14zdim? A ved’ vrode vzrosliy chelovek, kak ne stydno?

 

Negative. But I’m sure that for some reason you always give crap or something wrong with your logic.
Read this once again and sometimes use your head gear

You said >

These facts disprove your statement >


The investigation against orphanage teacher accused of several violent sex offense against children completed.
This man committed a high number of violent sexual offenses against at least 4 children with a mental illness between 2003 and 2009.
http://www.komitet-nso.ru/news/1759/

The former orphanage director convicted of pedophilia in Nizhny Novgorod.
The former orphanage director committed a high number of violent sexual offenses against minors with a mental illness - inmates of orphanages in Nizhniy Novgorod and Dzerzhinsk. The defendant was sentenced to 20 years in prison.
http://www.sledcom.ru/news/71015.html

Unfortunately I can’t scan and give you materials of the criminal cases and I’m afraid you should take my word for it again.



And other small items. >

http://www.rg.ru/2011/09/16/reg-szap...rka-anons.html

Public prosecution bodies of Burzyanskiy district revealed violations of fire safety legislation
http://www.bashprok.ru/news/news.php?ID=4510

Public prosecution bodies of Chitinskiy district revealed violations of sanitary and epidemiological legislation in Makkaveevskiy orphanage.
http://www.prokuratura.chita.ru/pres.../news/?id=4215

Public prosecution bodies of Leninsky district revealed violations of the law in an orphanage.
http://prokuratura.ivanovo.ru/%D0%BF...D0%B0%D0%BD-5/

+ you have a lame logic.>

The crimes were uncovered. And this fact says that guys made their job well and got criminals but it doesn’t prove this crap >

Cause conditions in orphanages can’t be too good if these abuses have happen there
You realize it?

 

Are you kidding or you are just goose?
And have you heard something about latent criminality?

Hey, person from the real world you think that all inspections don’t end with a bribe given to the officer?

no commets

 

Maybe.But most crimes are commited by men, Much more a committed by drunk people. Sure that youth felonies are greater in number than any ethnic band possible. So again it depends on what you are comparing.

No. This is a pure lie.

YOur news date back to some years ago. Then you take something from the deep past and try to use it for the analysis of current situation. And this is a fact as a long continuous mistake that makes your impression of the world close to the impression of an autistic kid. Are you aware that there is no USSR? Seems not. How stupid.

Then look for the statistics which will show that million people suffered from particular "ethnic bands of Moscow" and destroy my position. I would agree if I am wrong. Can you prove your words as an adult man? Surely not. Your kind is never responsible for any of the words that come from your mouths.

Read again. I answered already. It would be the fourth time that I have to explain to you that no conditions are ideal. But if someone takes a real care about something it is proven by the facts you have posted! You found the proof of my statement, but you just are not able to accept the fact.

Present Indefinie is never used for things that happened in 2004-2009. Yes, I wrote that the conditions in the orphanages are too good. And again facts from Guiness record book are not facts. They are not continous tendencies. They are just occasions. And it is impossible to get the right picture from what is happening by chance. Every society has criminals.

Just the same ghost as latent homosexuality. I believe only in something that exists in real life and is proven by facts.

It does. But not once it comes to orphanages. It is again a proof that state treats orphans better than anyone else. If a check ends with a bribe, than it is standard and positive and these news rarely come to the Internet. This is a fact.

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Maybe.But most crimes are commited by men, Much more a committed by drunk people. Sure that youth felonies are greater in number than any ethnic band possible. So again it depends on what you are comparing.

No. This is a pure lie.

YOur news date back to some years ago. Then you take something from the deep past and try to use it for the analysis of current situation. And this is a fact as a long continuous mistake that makes your impression of the world close to the impression of an autistic kid. Are you aware that there is no USSR? Seems not. How stupid.

Then look for the statistics which will show that million people suffered from particular "ethnic bands of Moscow" and destroy my position. I would agree if I am wrong. Can you prove your words as an adult man? Surely not. Your kind is never responsible for any of the words that come from your mouths.

Read again. I answered already. It would be the fourth time that I have to explain to you that no conditions are ideal. But if someone takes a real care about something it is proven by the facts you have posted! You found the proof of my statement, but you just are not able to accept the fact.

Present Indefinie is never used for things that happened in 2004-2009. Yes, I wrote that the conditions in the orphanages are too good. And again facts from Guiness record book are not facts. They are not continous tendencies. They are just occasions. And it is impossible to get the right picture from what is happening by chance. Every society has criminals.

Just the same ghost as latent homosexuality. I believe only in something that exists in real life and is proven by facts.

It does. But not once it comes to orphanages. It is again a proof that state treats orphans better than anyone else. If a check ends with a bribe, than it is standard and positive and these news rarely come to the Internet. This is a fact.

 

Another example of ridiculous demagogy

Yes this is a truth.
The organized crime is a big and real threat.
Only fool or incompetent internet twaddler (pizdabol ) doesn’t realize it.

Some ethnic criminal groups in Moscow has a close relationship with militants in the North Caucasus and 2000s and 2010-2011 is not a deep past.
Only infantile, silly internet twaddler can think that it is a deep past
What do USSR have to do with 2000s?

Anybody tell you that million ppl million people suffered from particular "ethnic bands of Moscow"?
I just said that you gave a crap again >

One in hundred thousand therefore > 10 in 1mil > 100 in 10 mil ever meet someone from an ethnic band huh? - you gave good figures
Anybody still doubt that you are just cheap incompetent and infantile internet twaddler (3,14 zdun)?

 

Were you born a silly and infantile person or did you have to work on it?
First of all it confirms the presence of abuses in orphanages which were revealed by law machinery.
Burn your perverted logic

What facts from Guiness record book do you mean?

It’s bullship. The inspections reveal a lot of abuses in orphanages regulary.

You may not believe it but the latent criminality is a fact.

Really? not once it comes to orphanages?
It was your sick joke or you just infantile chudak?

The case in point is there are a lot of abuses in orphanages.

A typical logic of an infantile internet twaddler

 

None of the texts from your links tell this. None. Every text says that Russian state discovered every case mentioned in these texts that every orphan mentioned was taken care of, while people who were not supporting the state in this were punished or will be punished soon. You can cry your tongue out of your mouth about your understanding of the word "logics", but you have none, because of a simple fact mentioned above.
As for your puny attempts to attack me personally - it is of zero success. I will continue to tell you the truth not because it is fun for me. But because it is good for you. You see some people shut themselves in their understanding of the world, logics, facts and lose the reality. You lost this sense. It is obvious. You need help, because without it your conciousness will not return from the dark rusophobic chamber which was created for your kin. You feel bad not because of me, but because of you and the way you think. There is only one destination point where this way is leading. It ends where Berezovsky ended. Another example is Magnitsky or that Dolmatov. They don't have anything for you but death and loss of real life. Think of it and change it. For you will never again feel the same warmth once you continue peeing on Russialie always. And you will not have peace until you don't look for it where every Russian should. You definetely know what I mean, don't you?

 

Lol

First of all it confirms the presence of abuses in orphanages which were revealed by law machinery.
Burn your perverted logic

Another cheap, ridiculous, demagogical crap from incompetent and infantile internet twaddler-3,14zduna.
Write more, Chudo.

 

the UK has finally turned into a mafia state, since all the mafiosi from around the world are sheltering there. MI6 first got their hands on Litvinenko, now its Beresovsky they have murdered.