Russian Military experts claim US Missile Shield can kill their nukes and complain

Mrbsct · May 24, 2016

So what is it? First the Russian trolls claim your nukes are so high and mighty and can go right through US Missile Defense(which is quite obvious since US doesn't have enough anti-ballistic missiles now, they are for a limited threat) and US military is "useless" in handling the "powerful super Russian weapons". Okay, I am not worried. The trolls clearly have the right to defend themselves with deterrence . But now the trolls claim our military defenses can knock out their nukes from Europe, and begging us to dismantle it! So what is it?

I have little confidence if these "Russian military experts". Paid trolls probably with no independent media in Russia to refute or criticize their propaganda. They brag about nonexistent Russian capabilities, but complain when it is neutralized.(or simply make up a nonexistent NATO threat, and complain to dismantle our forces)

See for yourself. A Russian source.

MOSCOW, May 24. /TASS/. US missile defense facilities in Europe are already capable of intercepting Russian delivery vehicles, Russia’s envoy to NATO Alexander Grushko said in a Moscow-Brussels video conference.

"According to our military analysts, even the current configuration of facilities stationed at Deveselu is capable of intercepting Russian strategic delivery vehicles," he said. "The situation will get still worse in 2018, when the facility in Poland is up and running. This poses obvious risks to Russia’s security and seriously distorts strategic stability, which has for decades been the pillar of peace and security globally."
Grushko said that Russia would be taking all retaliatory measures in view of the emerging risks.
The Romanian military base in Deveselu (Olt County, in the south of the country 180 kilometers away from Bucharest) on May 12 saw an inaugural ceremony timed for the commissioning of the US ground missile defense complex Aegis. The missile defense base takes up an area of 175 hectares. It consists of a radar, a missile defense control center and mobile batteries of MK-41 launchers with SM-3 interceptor missiles (Standard-3). NATO’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg officially declared the defense complex was operational.
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This poses a risk to Russian security and global security? I don't remember anything NATO said that ridiculous when Russia started building S-400 and S-500 missile defenses. And? You want us to take it down? Or are you going to make more nukes and bankrupt yourself like you did against Star Wars in the 80s? Or are you going to act? Common, show us how "powerful" your military is and those RT stats in live action.

Alien Traveler · May 24, 2016

Mrbsct said: ↑

So what is it? First the Russian trolls claim your nukes are so high and mighty and can go right through US Missile Defense(which is quite obvious since US doesn't have enough anti-ballistic missiles now, they are for a limited threat) and US military is "useless" in handling the "powerful super Russian weapons". Okay, I am not worried. The trolls clearly have the right to defend themselves with deterrence . But now the trolls claim our military defenses can knock out their nukes from Europe, and begging us to dismantle it! So what is it?

I have little confidence if these "Russian military experts". Paid trolls probably with no independent media in Russia to refute or criticize their propaganda. They brag about nonexistent Russian capabilities, but complain when it is neutralized.(or simply make up a nonexistent NATO threat, and complain to dismantle our forces)

See for yourself. A Russian source.

This poses a risk to Russian security and global security? I don't remember anything NATO said that ridiculous when Russia started building S-400 and S-500 missile defenses. And? You want us to take it down? Or are you going to make more nukes and bankrupt yourself like you did against Star Wars in the 80s? Or are you going to act? Common, show us how "powerful" your military is and those RT stats in live action.
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Are you a complete novice in politics? You should know that American military is always begging for more money because of the "threat from Russia".
So, it goes both ways.

Ronstar · May 24, 2016

how many missiles does the NATO anti-missile shield possess?

how many ICBMs can it hit at the same time?

if it can't take out at least 500 ICBMs over Europe AND Asia at the exact same time, its not a threat to Russia's nuclear deterent

Armed Update · May 24, 2016

Ronstar said: ↑

if it can't take out at least 500 ICBMs over Europe AND Asia at the exact same time, its not a threat to Russia's nuclear deterent
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The Ground Based Interceptor(GBI) is the only current system in the US arsenal capable of intercepting ICBMs. None are in Europe. The US has a total of 30 interceptors in the United States located in Alaska and California. Of course of the GBI is just a single Exoatmospheric Kill Vehicle(EKV) mounted a Boeing made Peacekeeper style ICBM but it can be attatched to the Mintuteman ICBM and other boosters as well as proven in tests. If attached to every Minuteman in US arsenal it would 450+30 interceptors total. The official kill rate is 57% against targets with decoys and countermeasures. If it can be attached Trident SLBM,(theoretical) it will probably carry 4 EKV, but it would limit the US nuclear capabilities.

As for the shorter range SM-3 missiles used in Europe, are only Block IAs and Block IBs which are only for intercepting MRBMs and IRBMs, they cannot defeat Russian nuclear capabilities, because Russia only uses ICBMs and SLBMs plus Iskander TBM and cruise missiles. The NATO BMD cannot intercept ICBMs until Block IIA comes, of course, that only has limited capabilities to do so.

Russia has around 299 ICBMs with 902 warheads MIRV and 160 SLBM with 704 warheads MIRV so a total of 1606 warheads capable of being delivered by ICBM/SLBM. Remember these ICBMs separate their warheads making multiple targets along with decoys and countermeasures. So if we take the 57% against countermeasures value if all US ICBMs are converted to ABMs, the US should be able to stop 273 warheads while the rest get through. Of course if the US does first strike with it's SLBM force and wipes out all the Russian Silo ICBMs which are easily spotted by satellite, the US will destroy:

46 R-36M2 Satan with 460 warheads
60 Topol-M with 60 warheads(they only use single warheads)
10 RS-24 with 40 warheads

These are all just silo mounted ICBMs. Newer Russian road mobile ones are too difficult to spot. In summary the US can destroy enemy 560 warheads on the ground SLBM forces along with 273 warheads in space with their GBI forces. So a total of 833 warheads and their delivery systems destroyed, but a total of 773 warhead remains being capable of launched from road mobile Topol-Ms, RS-24s and SLBMs like the Buluva. Not to mention the Russian cruise missiles which are not taken into account in this scenario. Of course if Trident can be converted with EKV, the numbers would be bigger, but no matter, Russia can target non-CONUS assets which will destroy the US economy, not to mention EMP which can wipe out non-hardened targets.(like civilian targets)

Of course the Russians are just overexagerting US capablities to make US take down US missile defense.

waltky · Oct 14, 2016

Russia gettin' ready for nuclear war...

Russia, anticipating 'unfriendly' U.S. steps, almost certain to go on nuclear war with America
Thursday 13th October, 2016 - Worsening diplomatic ties fuelled by piling "miscalculations" and "frozen" channels of communication are pushing the U.S. and Russia closer to the brink of war, with experts fearing the imminent use of nuclear arsenal and the devastating impact for the world at large.

After the latest U.S. salvo accusing Russia of hacking computer systems to tamper with the American election campaign and the democracy itself, political analysts feel that the relations between the two nations have found its lowest level since the fall of the Berlin Wall. "The quality of relations between us is certainly at the lowest point since the Cold War...The risk of miscalculations has increased," Russia's ambassador to the U.S. Sergey Kislyak has said. Kislyak said "normal channels of communication are frozen" between the U.S. and Russia. "We see the United States taking unfriendly steps toward Russia including sanctions, there are calls for isolating Russia," he said, adding, It doesn't work with Russia and it's not going to work.

Moscow has hastily abandoned a nuclear security pact, citing aggression from Washington, and moved the nuclear-capable Iskandar missiles to the edge of NATO territory in Europe, raising suspicion of the possible use of nuclear weapons if a war breaks out. In fact, earlier this month, the Russian government launched a mammoth civil defence training exercise involving million of civilians to ensure the country's preparedness in the event of a nuclear, chemical and biological attack. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has warned of "aggressive anti-Russia tendencies at the basis of the U.S. policy on Russia, and said the NATO deployments, infrastructure and missile placement were examples of "aggressive steps that have a direct bearing on our national interests and can affect our national security.

Lavrov's counterpart and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry has even called for a war crimes probe into Russia's military actions in Syria, which America has time and again disapproved of. On October 3, the U.S. suspended dialogue with Russia on bringing an end to the war in Syria. "They're not getting away with it for free," Kerry had recently said, referring to the alleged hacks on U.S. election systems and political parties.

Meanwhile, former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev has expressed grave concern at the current state of U.S.-Russia ties, saying it left the world on a dangerous threshold and the threat of nuclear warfare remains strong. I think the world has approached a dangerous threshold. I would prefer not to suggest any particular schemes, but I want to say: we need to stop, he said in an interview. Gorbachev said dialogue should be resumed between nations, in the wake of a prolonged period of high tension over the Syrian conflict and Russias interests in the Baltic states. Stopping the dialogue has been the biggest mistake. Now we must return to the main priorities, such as nuclear disarmament, fighting terrorism and prevention of global environmental disasters. Compared to these challenges everything else is a second priority," he said.

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Russia moving nuclear-capable missiles into Kaliningrad, says Estonia
Friday 7 October 2016 - Reports of Iskander-M missiles being moved to outpost between Poland and Lithuania fuels fears that Russia is seeking to expand control of Baltic Sea

Estonian officials have said that Russia appears to be moving powerful, nuclear capable missiles into Kaliningrad, a Russian outpost province sandwiched between Poland and Lithuania along the Baltic coast. The Iskander-M missiles, which have a range of over 500km, are reportedly being transported by ship from the St Petersburg area. It had previously been reported that the Russians might seek to place the Iskander-M missiles in Kaliningrad but not until 2018-19. If confirmed, the move would be seen by western governments as another sign that Russia is seeking to establish facts on the ground, from eastern Europe to the Middle East, before a new US president takes office in January.

Estonian officials said they were monitoring the ship and its contents. The ship, called the Ambal, was due to dock on Friday; reports of the cargo came from Estonian government sources. An Estonian defence expert said: This weapon is highly sophisticated and there is no comparable weapon in western armoury. It can carry nuclear weapons, change direction mid-flight and fly distances of up to 500km. As such it is capable of threatening Poland, including the US missile defence installations there. You would not change the date of the delivery of a system such as this on a whim. The intention is to make a strong strategic point.

The Russians already have a missile brigade on Kaliningrad, but the OTR-21 Tochka short-range missile is less sophisticated, and not capable of carrying nuclear weapons. The Iskander-M, the Persian name for Alexander the Great, is a ballistic rocket system designed to destroy strategic targets, and its stationing is arguably in breach of the intermediate-range nuclear forces treaty. Marko Mihkelson, the chairman of the Estonian parliaments national defence committee, told Estonian news agency ERR on Friday that since the transportation of the system was now taking place with the help of a civilian vessel, he had reason to think that Russia was trying to take the missiles to Kaliningrad in secret.

Mihkelson added that what was going on was part of a broader security situation, and that it was Russias intent to provoke western governments and increase pressure on them. On Monday Russia cancelled its weapon-grade plutonium disposal agreement with the US. In any case, what is called for now is to remain calm, and to treat these incidents as attempted blackmail, Mihkelson said. Russia is simply showing its desire to reinforce its position at the entrance to the Baltic Sea. The chief of staff of the Estonian defence forces, Lt Gen Riho Terras, said Russias recent actions show the countrys wish to expand its control of the Baltic Sea. In the long term Russias wish is to bring the Baltic Sea and the passages leading to it more and more under its control, and to control it much like it does the Black Sea, Terras said to ERR on Friday.

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