Russian Oligarchs - Lets get em

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Giftedone, Mar 2, 2022.

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Should we target the Rich of a Nation that invades and/or assists invasion of a Nation ?

  1. Yes .. get them Russian Oligarchs

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  2. No .. Hold on there matey .. Karma's a pregnant female dog

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  1. Pixie

    Pixie Well-Known Member

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    Yes.
    Neither I nor my lawyer have approved the jury.
     
  2. FAW

    FAW Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is not a jury involved. This is a chat board. It has readers. Every reader can decide for themselves.
     
  3. drluggit

    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    At some point, you have to start noodling if this is the plan from the start. Clearly, there are a lot of rich and powerful folks who think this is "good" for everyone, even though it will kill potentially millions of people, depending on how stupid our current leadership is. What happens when, as is shaping up in Asia, lots of countries there are willing to challenge China and their role in this BS. Yes, it can easily spiral out of control. And the astute question then is, why? Why now? Did COVID not kill enough people? Folks like Bill Gates, and several other of the Billionaire class have said we "must" have population reduction. Is it too conspiratorial to simply believe that when they all got together in the Alps last year that this was an outcome they designed?

    I know, that's just "crazy" right? But as we watch the horror now befalling those in Ukraine, is the world actually going to sit back and do nothing for these folks? And what happens when the stray missile hits inside a NATO country? Art 5 immediately kicks in. Then what? Can you for an instant imagine Biden doing something "measured" and smart? I think he's incapable of telling which TV prompter to read from given his dismal ability to read the prompts during the failed SOTU address the other night. Kamala is a joke, she's the thinest facade of political evil I've seen in decades. She has nothing to offer, but yearns for the power to just abuse folks, (Al La her stint as CA Attorney General)....

    Biden et al are talking about stealing on the high seas. Biden is talking about stealing absent any due process.. Biden is suggesting that the world won't suddenly mount any negative backlash to his vain glory. He truly is an idiot.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    Your fantasy is just that. Leave the rest of us out of it. So, you're here suggesting that absent ANY due process, that the US will simply become world Pirate number one. You? So much for being a liberal. Tyrant by another name these days though.
     
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    Chill. Biden isn't suggesting we do anything illegal. That's how Don rolls, not Joe.

    President Joe Biden gave a stern warning Tuesday night to Russia's richest billionaires and business elite that the United States and its allies will "find and seize their yachts, their luxury apartments, their private jets" in retaliation for the country's military invasion of Ukraine.

    "We're coming for your ill-begotten gains," Biden said during his State of the Union address to applause from both Democrats and Republicans.

    On Wednesday, the Department of Justice announced the formation of a special unit, the Task Force KleptoCapture, that will lead the charge to seize proceeds from "the crimes of Russian oligarchs." One of its first steps will be locating their U.S.-based holdings — an onerous undertaking because many are known to launder their money through real estate, as well as other alternative assets, such as art, jewelry and yachts. And financial experts say those oligarchs are able to cloak their true identities as owners by creating shell companies and benefiting from major disclosure loopholes in private equity and luxury goods.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/po...n-oligarchs-yachts-homes-jets-legal-rcna18278

    https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/evolving-civil-asset-forfeiture-laws.aspx
     
  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The oldest Racket .. loads are making loads somewhere in th equation .. .oh .. and Politically .. Bidens ratings are going up already .. never mention COVID again and he is a happy fellow .. happy day.

    There is a change in the guard happening .- tooting the same flute in posts for a decade so you may have heard parts of the song .. but the upshot is that the historical cycle is playing out Empires decline for the same reasons .. Technological advantage leads to military superiority - leading to economic hegemony - life is good and everyone wants your stuff .. Technology spreads -- can't stop it - as it does the cost of projecting power increases .. to the point where Empire trying to maintain that "Military" hegemony bankrupts itself

    Brits had the gatling gun .. one gunship - take over entire african nation .. fighting back with sticks and stones. Africa gets the gun - think storming hill defended by machine gun turrets in WW2 .. now one gunshio will not do .. must send armada .. will take many casualties .. the cost of projecting power has increased.

    Round the same time - the business cycle is running its course .. build widget .. everyone wants .. demand exceeds supply - spread to other nations .. cheaper to manufacture in other lands .. life is good. Technology spreads .. China learns technology .. and around the time when you are being bankrupted from maintaining military hegemony .. the Business cycles goes bad.. - Competition .. hitting both market share and margins .. at the same time .. supply exeed demand.

    Last 3 world economic empires .. Spanish Dutch British -- 20-25 years after going off gold -- to pure fiat -- economy nation - hegemony goes into major decline .. this is because when you go off something of intrinsic value backing the paper .. no restraints on borrowing .. and well need to borrow to fund the war effort .. maintaining hegemony..

    So then we went off round 73 .. Dow peaked in 2000 at around 12,000,,, then crashed .. dot com bubble - didn't make a new constant dollar high till the 2017 Trump Bump .. a debt fueled .. nitrous oxide cash injection - short term gain .. long term losses.. and well now .. were fked.. 30 Trillion LOL .. guess what maytee .. this aint funny money .. been messing with the invisible hand they have ... but hand starting to hit back.

    2- Books -- cover all this stuff .. predicted the housing crash .. cept did it in 1994.. no kidding .. no crystal ball required .. the natural cycle .. increasing violence and civil unreast .. idiological instability .. yup .. like clockwork .. .. and just a fun read for all the stories like the gattling gun one above .. A) Blood in the Streets Davidson/Moog 1987 B) The Great Reckoning 1994 Davidson/ - Lord Moog .. dude got Lorded in the interum :) William Reec Moog .. Editor of the London Times .. 2cnd most powerful newspaper at the time .. Chairman of the BBC .. good stuff --

    What did we spend on Afghan Iraq .. chasing after desert rats with kalashnikovs over last 20 years .. in excess of what the normal spend should have been .. going with the 2000 spend and adjusting for inflation.. 10 Trillion. so 500 Billion a year over 20 years that could have been spend on infrastructure - technology - ramping up economy to compete in 3rd millennium...

    One other thing you expect -- at this time - nations challanging the top Dog .. something that has been increasing at a steady pace over last number of decades.. Used to be no one did .. we were the Economic Empire .. the only game in town .. everyone wanted to play.. just need whisper our desires into ear .. and Nation come running on bended knee.. ahhh.. those were the days ..

    Trump did the unthinkable .. used the economic nuclear option .. cept in this case it was forced on all the nations .. Iran Sanctions ..and they were some pissed.. instead of whispering .. Trump took the biggest stick out of the shed and did the beat down ... so they abided ..but not willingly .. and serious repercussions were paid..

    Now we are doing it again .. and even more stuff -.. having to use the biggest sticks we have .. pusing buttons that can not be unpushed.

    The US dollar as world reserve currency was a priviledge given to us.. one that benefits us huge .. should a competitor to the US system of international payments arise.. a valid one .. that day will be the day the history books record as the defacto end of the US economic Empire.

    Oh .. we will still be at the table .. and a major player .. but.. one of many
     

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